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12-21-2012, 02:44 PM | #31 | |
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"It takes only 5 people to end gun violence in America."
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12-21-2012, 02:59 PM | #32 |
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Hey Lady where in the goat roping hell ya been//????????????????
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12-21-2012, 03:13 PM | #33 |
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Hi buster! I've been here...I turned into a monkey. An infinite one. I kept wondering why you never responded to my responses to you: you didn't know who I was!
But I changed my email address on my infinite monkey log-in because I was going to try to send gravdigr an email through the cellar and the email that he would get from me would be incorrect...just waiting on Tony to approve it before I can post from IM again.
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12-21-2012, 05:23 PM | #35 |
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You are so freaking funny.
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12-25-2012, 12:10 PM | #36 |
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in the right wing paranoid fantasy of needing guns to defend against tyranny - as nobody is carrying AR-15s for self-defense or hunting, right? - who is it you think you'll be using those guns to defend against...?
Invading armies? widespread anarchy? zombies? post-apocalyptic biker gangs? the FBI? ATF? The national guard? the military? your neighbors? your local cops? Who are you going to be shooting up with your arsenal, and why should the rest of us not be terrified of people like you? What makes you different than the "sovereign citizen" movement, with their murder of law enforcement, plain old traffic cops even, who "deprive them of their rights"? Talk about a slippery slope. Those of you who speak in support of looser gun laws. if they DO outlaw semi-automatic "assault weapons" and demand that those who own them turn them in, will you go quietly? What if ATF comes knocking - do you still go quietly?
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12-25-2012, 05:12 PM | #37 | |
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12-26-2012, 10:57 AM | #38 | |
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What we need are more gun control laws in this country, because clearly, we know the criminals never get their hands on guns, once those laws are passed:
A perfect example from the killer/arsonist last week. Quote:
AND WOULD HAVE KILLED SEVERAL MORE, EXCEPT a policeman shielded the wounded firemen on the ground with his car, AND SHOT SPENGLER WITH A RIFLE. What have we learned today? * Criminals don't CARE about gun laws - they will get guns or other weapons they can use against YOU. * It behooves you to have a gun to shoot them when they try to kill you. Apologies for boring the liberals who seem completely unable to understand this basic premise. Here's a little lesson from nature: Without a firearm, we are the warthog - careful, but still vulnerable, and still a victim. (not for the squemish): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-UX0w2yA2A |
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12-26-2012, 06:58 PM | #39 |
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I'm a little slow, but based on my reading of the 3 ongoing gun threads I'm starting to think Lamplighter might not like guns. Who knew?
TW and Ibby didn't respond to my earlier questions so I guess expecting a rational consideration of an alternate view on gunrights wasn't what they were looking for. Foot - you at least made an attempt. If I understand correctly, you are perfectly fine with gun ownership and use so long is it of a type you like, has a magazine capacity you feel is sufficient for your uses, and it is used in the manner you choose to use yours? My point in asking about your statements about the firing mechanism and magazine capacity was really aimed at pointing out that your limit of 4 shots is perfectly arbitrary. By focusing on those issues you are doing what they did with the ridiculous "assault weapon" ban, fixating on the inconsequential. If a lawabiding citizen likes to carry with 13 in the magazine and 1 in the chamber why does that matter to you? If a lawabiding citizen likes to target shoot with his AR-15 at his local range why does that matter to you? Guns aren't the problem. Lawabiding citizens aren't the problem. The evilminded and the insane are the problem. Tightening restrictions on those who follow the law will have no effect on those who care nothing about the law or the consequences.
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12-26-2012, 07:37 PM | #40 |
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a friend of mine (hard right wing Christian) said, "If guns kill people, why aren't there any gun deaths at gun shows?"
and I said, "because that's the Planning Phase." most of these nutters give clues. everyone always says, "I thought they were kidding," -----not with that adrenalin-high look in their eyes they're not.
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12-26-2012, 09:37 PM | #41 | |
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12-26-2012, 09:42 PM | #42 |
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But even Vermont has limits. You can't have a round in the chamber in a long gun in a vehicle, for instance. So cops can treat any long gun in the passenger cabin as a threat until proven otherwise.
Keeping a long gun in your home for self defense is reasonable. Keeping it unloaded in your trunk en route to hunting is reasonable. Having it in public is not. Long guns in public are not for self defense. They are for murder. By far, black men are the victims of gun violence, at the hands of both blacks and whites. But you didn't see the NRA arguing that Trayvon Martin should have had a gun to defend himself from his murderer, do you?
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12-26-2012, 11:58 PM | #44 |
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The mayor of Chicago, is well known as Obama's former chief of staff, at the White House. Dyed in the wool liberal, that's Rahm Emanuel.
Chicago has one of the most restrictive gun laws in the country - but their murder rate with guns, has increased, not decreased. Those clever criminals are NOT paying attention to the gun laws - can you IMAGINE THAT?? Of course, Rahm is dead set against the NRA proposal to have armed policemen at the schools, to help protect the kids therein. No no no, you can't turn our schools into "armed camps", etc. Here's the good part - the REALLY RICH PART. Rahm Emanual has a child, attending a Chicago private school. Guess what the private school has? Armed security at the school, every single day, protecting the kids therein. I just LOVE the liberal hypocrites! No one shows their liberal denouement, quite as well, as their own hypocrisy. |
12-27-2012, 12:18 AM | #45 | |
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Then I learned that: 1) The 911 call had been edited by NBC news media, to make it sound like Zimmerman was a racist. 2) The pictures of Zimmerman, taken at the time, had been altered to make him appear less injured than he was. (In fact Zimmerman is now suing the pants off NBC for this). So here's my take on this - mind you, I only know what the media has reported, and little else, so there is speculation written all over this: * Martin was bigger than Zimmerman, and a football player. He also had a temper - several fights in high school, in his background. * His gf stated Martin saw Zimmerman following him, and didn't like it. Told her to go on, he was going to "handle this" problem. * He got into a fight with Zimmerman, because he didn't like being followed, and Zimmerman wouldn't cooperate and leave. * Martin was winning the fight, being bigger and stronger than Zimmerman, and frankly, more experienced as a fighter and physical (heavy contact), athlete. * Martin broke Zimmerman's nose - and had him on his back, at least once, according to both an eye witness, and Zimmerman's jacket with grass stains on the back. Police verified the broken nose of Zimmerman, not the eye witness. Also, Zimmerman's face was swollen. Clearly he'd been punched in the face, several times. So I believe that Martin was clearly winning the fight, until Zimmerman shot him, and although Zimmerman's following of Martin was somewhat bothersome to me, it did not break any laws. The court will rule it was self-defense, when all the facts come out. |
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