Student shot with Taser by UCPD officers - Page 3

Spexxvet · 11-17-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Which "rules" advocate the tasering of bystanders? The "don't ask for my badge number" rule?

Did the "what's your badge number" person get tasered?

Flint · 11-17-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Did the "what's your badge number" person get tasered?

Did the "I will fucking taser you" officer give them their badge number?

Shawnee123 · 11-17-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

. If they let this guy be, and he ends up raping, robbing, or hurting someone, then the cops fucked up..

Criminal behavior is criminal behavior? (Most rapists, I've seen studies, really)start out as college students who forget their ID a lot. It's been proven.

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

If they enforce the rules, and ensure that he leaves, then the cops fucked up.

Um...HUH?

Spexxvet · 11-17-2006, 11:04 AM

I don't know, do you?

Flint · 11-17-2006, 11:04 AM

I don't. I don't know the answer to either question.

Spexxvet · 11-17-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Criminal behavior is criminal behavior? (Most rapists, I've seen studies, really)start out as college students who forget their ID a lot. It's been proven.

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I didn't say there was a direct correlation. I'm just saying that the cops could be perceived as the bad guys either way.

Spexxvet · 11-17-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I don't. I don't know the answer to either question.

That's why I asked. I'm not trying to escalate things, here - it was not a rhetorical question.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-17-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

For what it's worth, when someone in a position of authority tells me to do something, I do it. There's always time later to sort things out.

If a crossing guard tells you to pat your head while rubbing your belly, you do it? Ok, that's silly but do you see my point? I always question if the person telling me I must to do something, has the authority to do that.

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This is a no-win situation for the cops. If they let this guy be, and he ends up raping, robbing, or hurting someone, then the cops fucked up. If they enforce the rules, and ensure that he leaves, then the cops fucked up.

That's quite often true, but in this case with the place obviously crowded, I don't think that applies. They were just overzealous in showing this disrespectful whippersnapper who's boss.

Shawnee123 · 11-17-2006, 11:08 AM

It's not only NOT a direct correlation, it's so far from correlating to the real situation it's not even funny.

Or as Jules would say (WWJS) Ain't no fuckin' ballpark neither

Flint · 11-17-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I'm not trying to escalate things, here...

>>>>>>> :::tasers you, just to be sure:::

Happy Monkey · 11-17-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

This is a no-win situation for the cops.

That's only true if their only two options were a) ignore him or b) taser him.

Sundae · 11-17-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

The taser should only be used when the cop feels that someone is in physical danger. Shouting and "thrashing about on the floor" (I didn't see any thrashing about except during the actual tasering) do not qualify.

Quite right - that was my assumption, not an observation.

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Not to mention the stupid thuggishness of screaming at someone who has just been tasered to stand up - much less someone who has been tasered multiple times.

I thought a Taser just gave a jolt of pain. I didn't know it prevented you from standing up. I'm not being sarcastic - I honestly don't know what a Taser does. He screamed as if he was in agony, but was still coherent and mutinous.

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This reminds me of the idea of a girl in a miniskirt "asking for" rape.

Fair enough. I think the cops over-reacted rather than actually breaking the law, but I don't know how much force is considered reasonable to remove someone causing a disturbance. Again - not knowing what a Taser does I'm at a disadvantage.

Oh, I've watched with the sound up now BTW. Noisy bugger isn't he?

Undertoad · 11-17-2006, 11:23 AM

If we want to connect the dots properly, we should wait for the next shoe to drop.

If the couldn't-get-a-real-cop-job cops are punished, if the lad wins in a lawsuit, if the public reaction is one of horror and not he-deserved-it finger wagging, then we are truly not in a 1984ish fascist situation.

In fact to conceive of Homeland Security as offering us a fascist situation and not merely federal policing in an often-incompetent government is a leap.

One way we know this, is that we feel free to say these things on this thread.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-17-2006, 11:24 AM

A taser takes you down, complete loss of muscle control.

Flint · 11-17-2006, 11:25 AM

And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

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11-17-2006, 11:08 AM	#39
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	It's not only NOT a direct correlation, it's so far from correlating to the real situation it's not even funny. Or as Jules would say (WWJS) Ain't no fuckin' ballpark neither __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	A taser takes you down, complete loss of muscle control. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Undertoad? And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. Attached Images __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-17-2006, 11:23 AM	#43
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If we want to connect the dots properly, we should wait for the next shoe to drop. If the couldn't-get-a-real-cop-job cops are punished, if the lad wins in a lawsuit, if the public reaction is one of horror and not he-deserved-it finger wagging, then we are truly not in a 1984ish fascist situation. In fact to conceive of Homeland Security as offering us a fascist situation and not merely federal policing in an often-incompetent government is a leap. One way we know this, is that we feel free to say these things on this thread.

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