South Africa's high court approves gay marriage - Page 3

9th Engineer · 11-20-2006, 05:36 PM

Nice to see shawnee chomping at the bit there, at least I'm not being ignored. The first thing I'd address is that the effect doesn't have to be really damaging for me to be involved in it. If it doesn't hurt me then I won't say nay, but all it has to do is impact me in some way for me to want a say in it. The most obvious way it impacts me is the very things people say they want, you're now introducing a large new group of people entering systems they've never been a part of. That will impact me through new obligations (I've actually already had to attend seminars on gay/trans workplace dymanics), increases in fees to cover new obligations of companees, and in other obvious ways. This isn't really what most people talk about of course when they say it will impact them, and frankly it isn't the majority of what I care about. But I needed to make an interm post here while frantically throwing all my stuff into duffle bags for my trip home (Thanksgiving break), lest shawnee's sentiments snowball and ruin any chance at an honest response.

Spexxvet · 11-20-2006, 06:11 PM

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...increases in fees to cover new obligations of companees, ...

Typical conservative.... it always comes back to the dollars.

Aliantha · 11-20-2006, 06:29 PM

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The first thing I'd address is that the effect doesn't have to be really damaging for me to be involved in it. If it doesn't hurt me then I won't say nay, but all it has to do is impact me in some way for me to want a say in it. The most obvious way it impacts me is the very things people say they want, you're now introducing a large new group of people entering systems they've never been a part of. That will impact me through new obligations (I've actually already had to attend seminars on gay/trans workplace dymanics), increases in fees to cover new obligations of companees, and in other obvious ways. This isn't really what most people talk about of course when they say it will impact them, and frankly it isn't the majority of what I care about.

Must have been tough seeing the whiteboard at that seminar with the blinders on...

Flint · 11-20-2006, 08:06 PM

Hmmm... so gay marriage wouldn't be so much, say, an evil threat Satan has devised to destroy all that is good and Holy, as it would be more of, you know, kinda inconvenient. Well, in that case, fuck those f@ggots, right? Am I right, or am I right? And while we're at it, let's take those ni66ers back down a few notches, right? I mean, more for me! Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!

DanaC · 11-20-2006, 08:14 PM

*chuckles*

Aliantha · 11-20-2006, 08:16 PM

And also, let's increase the cost of attending university while we're at it. I'm sick of subsidising education for morons.

Shawnee123 · 11-21-2006, 11:59 AM

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Nice to see shawnee chomping at the bit

Darling baby, if I were chomping at your bit you would know it.

In the meantime, get back with me when you've been at least halfway around the block.

Also, why is it always ME you retort to...with all the gaff you've received over your posts the only one you have the balls to call out is me. Do you find me harmless? Do you think me weak? You have another think coming.

DanaC · 11-21-2006, 12:05 PM

Maybe it's the net. equivalent of pulling your pigtails?:P

Shawnee123 · 11-21-2006, 12:07 PM

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Maybe it's the net. equivalent of pulling your pigtails?:P

Yeah, well I'm gonna go home and tell my dad.

DanaC · 11-21-2006, 12:08 PM

lol

Aliantha · 11-21-2006, 05:54 PM

9th and Shawnee sittin in a tree,
k.i.double s.i.n.g.

First comes love, then comes marriage,
Then comes 9th with a baby carriage!

Shawnee123 · 11-22-2006, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

9th and Shawnee sittin in a tree,
k.i.double s.i.n.g.

First comes love, then comes marriage,
Then comes 9th with a baby carriage!

I know you are but what am I?

9th Engineer · 11-22-2006, 03:08 PM

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Must have been tough seeing the whiteboard at that seminar with the blinders on...

If approaching the situation with a pragmatic attitude constitues blinders, then yes. This issue is no exception to the 'question everything and make few assumptions and generalizations' rule.

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Hmmm... so gay marriage wouldn't be so much, say, an evil threat Satan has devised to destroy all that is good and Holy, as it would be more of, you know, kinda inconvenient.

Do you prefer arguments centering around theologics? It's a plus minus, pro/con issue like everything else, there will be good things and also negative consequences associated with it. I have no idea why people think the issue of fairness somehow has an infinite positive weight attached to it, it's a plus, but far from huge.

I don't think I pay any special attention to shawnee, although when poked I poke back, and she's definately in the group that takes jabs at people around here.

Anyway, I say that gay marriage affects me because it is designed to, really. If the idea was the gays would be handed marriage licences and NOTHING would leave the house would you be satisfied? A big part of this deal is bringing everything public now, into the workplace, schools, and society in general. I'd definately say that affects me. People are making the assumption that changes must be maliciously damaging to count, the money comment even assumes I should be happy to hand over more money without even considering it as an effect.
I'll lay something on the line here, fairness doesn't count for alot with me. Our society is so decrepit that we're not even past fixing basic injustices and pathetic behavior much less ready to make life fair. We've been in a regression for decades now, we started with a huge lead but our progess is pityful. China is now the #2 economy in the world, we're known for our TV, not our technology or innovations. I posted something on 'fairness' a while back so I won't repeat it here, but 99/100 Americans are far too weak willed to ever be much use in a fair and just society.
So a man not being able to sign medical papers for his lover just does not matter to me in the face of all of our other problems, really, it's not important to me. As a staunch pragmatist I do not have the excess time or energy to deal with all this emotional dithering.

Shawnee123 · 11-22-2006, 03:13 PM

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I don't think I pay any special attention to shawnee, although when poked I poke back, and she's definately in the group that takes jabs at people around here.

Sure 9th, everyone else is wrong and you are right.

Leave me out of your posts, I'm starting to think you're hot for me.

Mr Educated? The words are spelled "definitely" and "a lot". Also, this sentence makes absolutely no grammatical sense:

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Our society is so decrepit that we're not even past fixing basic injustices and pathetic behavior much less ready to make life fair.

Fine eduation you're working on. Tech Center?

Let me guess, you're in the top 1%? Thank the Lord we have people like you on earth. Whew:

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99/100 Americans are far too weak willed to ever be much use in a fair and just society.

I'll call him...mini-dick

Flint · 11-22-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

...there will be good things and also negative consequences associated with it...
...gay marriage affects me because it is designed to, really...
...I'd definately say that affects me...
...fairness doesn't count for alot with me...
...I do not have the excess time or energy to deal with all this...

What negative consequences?
How is it "designed to" affect you?
How does it "definately" [sic] affect you?
It's easy to be callous, from a distance, isn't it?
How, specifically, do you have to "deal with" this?

11-20-2006, 05:36 PM	#31
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Nice to see shawnee chomping at the bit there, at least I'm not being ignored. The first thing I'd address is that the effect doesn't have to be really damaging for me to be involved in it. If it doesn't hurt me then I won't say nay, but all it has to do is impact me in some way for me to want a say in it. The most obvious way it impacts me is the very things people say they want, you're now introducing a large new group of people entering systems they've never been a part of. That will impact me through new obligations (I've actually already had to attend seminars on gay/trans workplace dymanics), increases in fees to cover new obligations of companees, and in other obvious ways. This isn't really what most people talk about of course when they say it will impact them, and frankly it isn't the majority of what I care about. But I needed to make an interm post here while frantically throwing all my stuff into duffle bags for my trip home (Thanksgiving break), lest shawnee's sentiments snowball and ruin any chance at an honest response. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

11-20-2006, 08:06 PM	#34
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Hmmm... so gay marriage wouldn't be so much, say, an evil threat Satan has devised to destroy all that is good and Holy, as it would be more of, you know, kinda inconvenient. Well, in that case, fuck those f@ggots, right? Am I right, or am I right? And while we're at it, let's take those ni66ers back down a few notches, right? I mean, more for me! Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-20-2006, 08:16 PM	#36
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	And also, let's increase the cost of attending university while we're at it. I'm sick of subsidising education for morons. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-21-2006, 05:54 PM	#41
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	9th and Shawnee sittin in a tree, k.i.double s.i.n.g. First comes love, then comes marriage, Then comes 9th with a baby carriage! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-20-2006, 08:14 PM	#35
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	chuckles

11-21-2006, 12:05 PM	#38
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Maybe it's the net. equivalent of pulling your pigtails?:P

11-21-2006, 12:08 PM	#40
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	lol

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