Perverting democracy for politics - Page 3

Happy Monkey · 06-04-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You are in the military when you are President.

No, you're in charge of the military. Part of our nation's strength is the civilian leadership of the military.

tw · 06-04-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

If Bush’s nominee for CIA chief, Air Force General Michael Hayden, is confirmed, that will put every spy program in Washington under military control.

If you have not been aware of this battle and a much larger war between CIA and Rumsfeld, then you don't have a clue how much infighting is now regular in Washington. At one point, DoD tried to take the functions in the National Security Agency (NSA) completely away from CIA (yes NSA is a DoD function whose #1 customer is CIA). The Supreme Court literally stepped in and ended that battle in favor of CIA.

The story of Potter Goss is still not told. Many players are now holding cards very close to their chest. Potter Goss was basically installed to disembowel the CIA - a least that was the White House agenda. I still don't know what Potter Goss was doing. But whatever it was, it was in opposition to what the White House wanted. I suspect Potter Goss tried to work more for the CIA than for the White House. It is pretty much known that Negroponte - Intelligence Czar - has made a bureaucratic mess of the nation's intelligence. But again, it is not clear his position in a DoD's political war on CIA.

Too many in this battle still are not talking (leaking). When one victim (Potter Goss) does talk (if he ever does), then we should have a much better idea where even General Hayden stands. Currently it is unknown if he will work to undermine CIA (which I doubt) for the benefit of DoD, or if he will stand up for CIA. But the bottom line - if you did not see it years ago - there is major infighting between CIA and DoD. Currently, CIA appears to be losing - as indicated by the number of people who actually think there was an intelligence failure before and after 11 September.

BigV · 06-05-2006, 09:25 AM

Porter Goss, if you please. :grates:

Flint · 06-05-2006, 10:19 AM

...wathced U.S. Police-State Double Feature this weekend:

John Carpenter's They Live, and Running Man

EDIT - (bonus feature: follow the TV theme to Network)

Happy Monkey · 03-28-2007, 12:37 PM

link

Lunchtime "team-building seminars" at the GAO on how to support Republican candidates in elections.

TheMercenary · 03-28-2007, 01:17 PM

One seriously outdated thread.

Happy Monkey · 03-28-2007, 01:22 PM

Old, but unfortunately not outdated.

TheMercenary · 03-28-2007, 01:25 PM

Really, I could have sworn Porter Goss and Rummy were gone... wait let me check on that.

Happy Monkey · 03-28-2007, 01:31 PM

There's more where they came from.

TheMercenary · 03-28-2007, 01:33 PM

Yep, we need people to step up and do the good work that needs to be done.

Happy Monkey · 03-28-2007, 01:33 PM

First we need the bad ones to step down.

TheMercenary · 03-28-2007, 01:34 PM

Slowly but surely they are being replaced.

Happy Monkey · 03-28-2007, 01:47 PM

I have no confidence that the replacements are better. Gonzales is certainly worse than Ashcroft.

Of course, confirmation won't be a rubber stamp anymore, so there's some good news there. A swift boat financier was just blocked as ambassador to Belgium. Not that that position is particularly important, but it might force Bush to be more reasonable in his picks.

Or maybe he'll just do more recess appointments.

BigV · 03-28-2007, 01:57 PM

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Happy Monkey · 04-04-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

A swift boat financier was just blocked as ambassador to Belgium. Not that that position is particularly important, but it might force Bush to be more reasonable in his picks.

Or maybe he'll just do more recess appointments.

I'm an oracle.

06-05-2006, 09:25 AM	#33
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Porter Goss, if you please. :grates: __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

06-05-2006, 10:19 AM	#34
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	...wathced U.S. Police-State Double Feature this weekend: John Carpenter's They Live, and Running Man EDIT - (bonus feature: follow the TV theme to Network) __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio** Last edited by Flint; 06-05-2006 at 10:49 AM.

03-28-2007, 12:37 PM	#35
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	link Lunchtime "team-building seminars" at the GAO on how to support Republican candidates in elections. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-28-2007, 01:17 PM	#36
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	One seriously outdated thread. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-28-2007, 01:22 PM	#37
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Old, but unfortunately not outdated. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-28-2007, 01:25 PM	#38
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Really, I could have sworn Porter Goss and Rummy were gone... wait let me check on that. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-28-2007, 01:31 PM	#39
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	There's more where they came from. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-28-2007, 01:33 PM	#40
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Yep, we need people to step up and do the good work that needs to be done. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-28-2007, 01:34 PM	#42
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Slowly but surely they are being replaced. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-28-2007, 01:47 PM	#43
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I have no confidence that the replacements are better. Gonzales is certainly worse than Ashcroft. Of course, confirmation won't be a rubber stamp anymore, so there's some good news there. A swift boat financier was just blocked as ambassador to Belgium. Not that that position is particularly important, but it might force Bush to be more reasonable in his picks. Or maybe he'll just do more recess appointments. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-28-2007, 01:57 PM	#44
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	B __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

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