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View Poll Results: Do you support saving the US auto companies with tax payer money? | |||
I support saving any one or all of them. | 1 | 3.13% | |
I support assisting them for a limited time with a limited amount. | 11 | 34.38% | |
I don't support saving them. | 19 | 59.38% | |
I have another plan to save them from certain death (explain below) | 1 | 3.13% | |
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11-16-2008, 03:04 PM | #31 |
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That's what the automakers claim each UAW employee costs them, including all the lawyers, accountants, clerks and hot nurses in the dispensary, it takes to service them.
Some of it are projected costs if they live to be the average actuarial age, collect a pension equal to the average worker at retirements years of service, has a spouse with survivor benefits that lives to the average actuarial age. Some is services the company is willing to provide, even if the employees don't choose to take advantage of them. There are plenty of people making more and plenty of people making less. But they make a good living because thanks to the union, they are getting a fair piece of what the company makes on their labor. They are the middle class. If they chose to be garbage collectors or college professors, they would get what that was worth to their employers.
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11-16-2008, 03:18 PM | #32 |
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I never serviced no auto worker.
...steel workers, now, that's a horse of a different color... and just to stir the pot some more: if an IEU member (our plant was International Electricians Union) got a speeding ticket in the city the plant was in, a union member went to court for them to get the ticket thrown out. I know you think I'm making this stuff up, but, honey, you couldn't make this stuff up!!
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11-16-2008, 03:41 PM | #33 |
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11-16-2008, 03:46 PM | #34 |
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You know Bri, I'm just thinking that if 9 out of 10 workers spent their time in sick bay with the nurse, it's no wonder they didn't make enough cars.
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11-16-2008, 03:47 PM | #35 |
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All the guys in the shop knew how hot the nurse was. Blame it on the nurse.
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11-16-2008, 03:49 PM | #36 |
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Yeah...it's all Bri's fault that the US auto industry is collapsing. lol
Might I just say that the Australian industry isn't doing all that much better. No one is buying cars at the moment, but the advantage that we have is that most of our manufacturers make more small cars than large, so they've got half a chance of surviving.
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11-16-2008, 03:54 PM | #37 |
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Well Ford would make a killing if they started to import the same cars they have in the UK, with the steering wheel on the proper side, unlike the UK. The diesels over there have fantastic gas milage.
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11-16-2008, 04:01 PM | #38 | |
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11-16-2008, 04:02 PM | #39 |
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What, graduates aren't useful?
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11-16-2008, 04:20 PM | #41 | |
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11-16-2008, 04:40 PM | #42 |
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Sorry, all...I buy Toyota. I've has more luck with foreign cars.
I don't think we need our tax money to step in, I think they have other options and opportunity, they just want to be proud and not sell off. They are their own business, let them take care of it. I do wonder how much unemployment tax payers money goes towards laid off autoworkers in comparison to the tax money thought to help fix them. |
11-16-2008, 04:43 PM | #43 | |
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11-16-2008, 04:48 PM | #44 |
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The auto industry and the oil industry are so intertwined that they don't want fuel efficiency as it will affect profits. Want to watch a good documentary? "Who killed the electric car" It goes over the Hybrid test back in the 90s in California and how well they worked, but how the oil industry didn't support it, resulting in a pull of their test models to demolish (actually had to return their car and let them be taken to an empty lot until they take them to crush them all). Good documentary.
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11-16-2008, 06:44 PM | #45 |
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They have cleaner diesel in Europe so their emissions on American fuel probably wouldn't pass. VW finally got their diesel cleared, so its possible. [shrug]
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