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12-11-2018, 02:21 PM | #31 | |
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It's rapey if you keep trying to have sex with someone who said they don't want to. Nothing complicated. It's annoying, creepy, and it's rapey because you're hoping to get coerced consent.
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12-11-2018, 02:23 PM | #32 | |
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12-11-2018, 02:27 PM | #33 | |
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Just so we're clear on definitions, I believe the common use of the diminutive term "rapey" is synonymous with "sexual harassment" such as an HR department might define it.
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I don't throw the whole show out because of it, and that's a value judgement on my part. So to wrap up the whole thread, for me, I've just proven myself to be doing the same thing as people who still like that song. So, go ahead. I'm doing it so you can do it too. Or, we're both wrong.
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****************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio Last edited by Flint; 12-11-2018 at 02:32 PM. |
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12-11-2018, 05:49 PM | #34 |
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12-11-2018, 06:16 PM | #36 | |
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TBF she was wearing something you wouldn't wear on the job. Well, office jobs. This whole putting harassment into it is weird. The workplace is the workplace. Dates are dates. They are entirely different conditions. |
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12-11-2018, 06:49 PM | #37 |
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Yeah, I overstated that. Nevermnd. On mobile. Should have said "some of"
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12-11-2018, 08:24 PM | #38 |
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Riker stands, though - Deanna Troi is his co-worker! And a direct report, a subordinate!
And what's more, everyone kind of conveniently forgets this, but they're in a military command structure; where these relationships pose a danger to the entire division and mission. ~ to be clear i say all that unironically ~ Riker is ... Riker |
12-12-2018, 12:57 AM | #39 | |
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Evidently the game has changed significantly, saying no was always the ladies prerogative, mine too but that never happened. (Should have once but that was my mistake and I can't blame her.) Anyway it wasn't bad form to ask as long as there was no force or coercion. Oh, and drugs/alcohol were allowed, not roofies, but shit done knowing what it was, of their own free will. Yeah, I know there are nuances of peer pressure and stuff but that hasn't changed since forever, and never will.
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12-12-2018, 01:02 AM | #40 |
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If you ask at the beginning of the night and she says no, if she changes her mind later SHE. WILL. LET. YOU. KNOW. if SHE wants to do it. If you keep bugging the fuck out of her everytime a stopwatch goes off, you're being an annoying douche. Go home and jack off.
She KNOWS you want to do it. You already told her.
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12-12-2018, 01:10 AM | #41 |
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The only thing that's really changed here is that women have been given agency to be the initiators. So there's really no need to keep pestering them, because if they want to do it they will let you know. They do that now. It's a better system, it takes the pressure off of you. And the absolute simplest, easiest, and most logical thing about it is that you never need to wonder "whether or not something is being done without consent" because it's real simple-- if she wants to do it she will fucking tell you.
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****************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio |
12-12-2018, 01:20 AM | #42 |
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Bah, no stopwatch. Earlier while making plans for the evening that would end up at my place or somewhere else, then at the end of the evening, is not by stopwatch, they are natural pauses of opportunity.
If she thinks I'm "being an annoying douche" and says or even telegraphs that, then fuck her, I won't be back. Not because she said no which is probable, expected even, but if she is angered by being asked. Oh, and if she said yes last week, I'd never assume she wouldn't say no this week. That's always her prerogative, as asking is mine.
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12-12-2018, 01:28 AM | #43 |
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Well anyways, people get laid MORE now and everybody enjoys it better, because there is no "person in charge of always asking" and women aren't afraid to let you know that they're also horny, and like to fuck just as much as you do. It's a better system because its LESS complicated.
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12-12-2018, 01:47 AM | #44 |
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No they are not. People are having less sex. Experts are blaming everything from still living in the folk's basement to the internet.
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12-12-2018, 02:06 AM | #45 |
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It's a better system on it's own merit.
The old "man keeps asking the lady" system was a Rube Goldberg that fell apart under the weight of it's own complexity and arbitrary requirements. The new system just says, "decide it like people decide any other thing." Equal players, equal agency, and equal stakes. The simplest, least complicated, and most effortless path.
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****************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio |
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