Elimination of U.S. Pilot Truck Program Triggers Mexican Tariffs - Page 3

03-30-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Humor us all - what was your point?....

Here is my point again...not that you asked.

Why should we extend the Bush pilot demonstration project that the Bush DOT said in its post-year review of the program is lacking key quality control measures to assure that every participating truck and driver is checked every time it crosses the border into the US?

There is no violation of the "letter of the law" of NAFTA that I am aware of... despite Mexico's claim...perhaps in the "spirit of the law" in which case Mexico is no shining example.

I would like to see Obama bring Mexico and Canada to the table to renegotiate NAFTA...but that's not likely to happen.

So we'll deal with these little flare ups and disagreements instead on a case by case basis.

sugarpop · 03-30-2009, 10:50 PM

This is the TGRR - classicman slapdown thread.

03-30-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

This is the TGRR - classicman slapdown thread.

I'm having a hard time finding a slapdown-free thread today.

Perhaps we need a renegotiation of a Cellar Dwellers Free Discussion Agreement.

classicman · 03-30-2009, 11:15 PM

Perhaps you could start a group for that.

classicman · 03-30-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

assure that every participating truck and driver is checked every time it crosses the border into the US?

Is that really feasible? Seriously. To put every truck through an extensive inspection every time is crosses the border would create a traffic jam all the way to Brazil. Wouldn't it?

03-30-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Is that really feasible? Seriously. To put every truck through an extensive inspection every time is crosses the border would create a traffic jam all the way to Brazil. Wouldn't it?

According to the DOT report, there were only 18 Mexican carriers/trucking companies (and less than 100 total trucks) participating in the pilot demonstration and they still couldnt assure compliance. I think its safe to assume that they all were not arriving at the border at the same time on the same day.

classicman · 03-30-2009, 11:26 PM

Wow - thats it? Then it would seem like a no-brainer. Then again is it worth the expense for a few dozen trucks?
Doesn't really seem worth it - the whole program, I mean.

03-30-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Wow - thats it? Then it would seem like a no-brainer. Then again is it worth the expense for a few dozen trucks?
Doesn't really seem worth it - the whole program, I mean.

Nope...sure doesnt.

The DOT/IG final report summaryr on the demo project

From the full report - the numbers were 29 carriers (including 2 that withdrew) and 118 trucks. (my numbers were from the mid year report)

03-30-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Perhaps you could start a group for that.

I couldnt pass a Cellar confirmation hearing....skeletons in the closet and issues of "attitude and overt partisanship"

classicman · 03-30-2009, 11:50 PM

yeh, tell me about it.

sugarpop · 03-31-2009, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Redux

I couldnt pass a Cellar confirmation hearing....skeletons in the closet and issues of "attitude and overt partisanship"

At least you haven't "crossed the line from being an irritatingly naive idealist to being a fucking moron."

sugarpop · 03-31-2009, 06:40 AM

Mexico just does not have the same kind of laws and regulations we have in this country, just as China doesn't. So why should we be forced to accept their trucks and drivers, if they are not up to our standards, and why should we accept certain products from China, when it's been proven they use lead and other toxic things in products they are selling us? What about the safety of our roads, and the safety of our people?

classicman · 03-31-2009, 09:46 AM

Sugarpop - its 118 trucks - this whole thing is a joke.

TGRR · 03-31-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Humor us all - what was your point?

Who's "us all"? You and your tapeworm?

When you're done trolling, let me know.

sugarpop · 03-31-2009, 09:42 PM

I'm just saying... there is a double standard when it comes to Mexico and China, (and let's not even talk about Israel). Mexico and China are forcing us to rewrite our own safety standards, and Israel pushes us around with regard to our foreign policy. We really are wimps when it comes to this stuff, and it's because of corporations. They must have big trade agreements that are not in our best interests, but it lines their wallets.

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03-30-2009, 11:26 PM	#37
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Wow - thats it? Then it would seem like a no-brainer. Then again is it worth the expense for a few dozen trucks? Doesn't really seem worth it - the whole program, I mean. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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03-31-2009, 09:46 AM	#43
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03-31-2009, 06:40 AM	#42
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Mexico just does not have the same kind of laws and regulations we have in this country, just as China doesn't. So why should we be forced to accept their trucks and drivers, if they are not up to our standards, and why should we accept certain products from China, when it's been proven they use lead and other toxic things in products they are selling us? What about the safety of our roads, and the safety of our people?

03-31-2009, 09:42 PM	#45
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	I'm just saying... there is a double standard when it comes to Mexico and China, (and let's not even talk about Israel). Mexico and China are forcing us to rewrite our own safety standards, and Israel pushes us around with regard to our foreign policy. We really are wimps when it comes to this stuff, and it's because of corporations. They must have big trade agreements that are not in our best interests, but it lines their wallets.

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