03-12-2004, 02:29 PM | #31 |
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0312042utah1.html She did eventually have the emergency C-section, but it was too late for the one twin who was already dead (which the doctors already knew at that point, they were just trying to save the other one). She's being charged with child endangerment (not murder,) and not because she didn't want the C-section but because the surviving twin tested positive for cocaine and alcohol. In addition to that, she admitted to smoking pot while pregnant and in fact kept demanding to go outside and smoke a cigarette first before they could begin the C-section. (edit: oops, sorry--she's simply ALSO being charged with child endangerment of the second one. She's still being charged with murder.) Last edited by Clodfobble; 03-12-2004 at 02:34 PM. |
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She should claim religion. She could say it's her religious belief that it be natural. It was the will of god, or what not, that the child live if it were meant to live, and die if it were meant to die.
How is this any different than people who say they'll pray for their kid to get better, rather than use the latest (or even old) medical treatments to ensure that it get better? There's people that forgo medical treatment that would guarantee their survival, because it's their belief that they shouldn't do so. How is this different? No, she probably doesn't believe that, but she could claim it, and the end result would be the same. Or, she could claim something along the lines of natural selection. Though I doubt people would like this. But basicly, the child wasn't strong enough, lucky enough, whatever enough for it to survive in nature. In nature, there is no such thing as a C-section. Anyway... Utah? She's fucked. Again. I slay me. I really do. Quzah. |
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Mom, from prison: "Hi daughter." Daughter: "Now tell me again why I don't have a [brother/sister]?" Mom: "Well I didn't really feel like having a C-section. Sorry." Fucked up I tell you. That kid will need some serious therapy. Quzah. |
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A murder charge in this scenario is stupid, even with the additional details Clodfobble provided via thesmokinggun.com. Wreckless Endangerment, sure. But murder? No.
But, it IS Utah, the (self-)righteousness capital of the US. Damn Utahns. *cough*
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Radar, Hmm, so the government (funded by us) has no right to stop a woman from smoking or drinking during her pregnancy, but then the government (again our $$$) has to later spend money on the child because of all sorts of physical and mental damage the kid ends up with.
I guess to be fair, the governement should tell parents of fetal alcohol syndrom kids that it's their problem and no help will be given, let them handle it themselves. The school system is not going to treat that child any different than a normal one, because it would be unfair to all the other parents to have to pay for the consequences of the free choices taken by the one parent. |
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How is that ironic? Or did you mean ironic in the sense of "He knows CPR, but won't use it?"
Which again, isn't ironic. It's actually quite fitting to the topic at hand. She knew that a C-section would save the kid, but she opted not to use it. Perhaps ironic in the sense of likes animals, doesn't care about people? Which really isn't ironic either. I donno. I just don't see the irony. Quzah. |
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