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Old 05-03-2002, 02:47 AM   #31
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hmm that only applies to elective democracies, not participatory.
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Old 05-03-2002, 07:03 AM   #32
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I'd say his vision is clouded by being too close a certain one time constitutional republic which appears to be headed in that direction. Between Whig/Republican merchantilism and Democratic socialism it was only a matter of time before we built a death star. We're just too big and too centralized for democracy....
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Old 04-12-2006, 01:23 PM   #33
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This was posted in Feb 2002:
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Originally Posted by Xugumad
The Bush administration is trying to limit how much the government's response to the Sep11 attacks is investigated.

Specifically, the administration is trying to ensure that only investigations producing secret results are being undertaken. The two committees that the administration is favouring would not be able to release their findings to the public.
And it still goes on. In the Washington Post of 12 Apr 2006:
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Archives Kept a Secrecy Secret
Agencies Removed Declassified Papers From Public Access
The National Archives helped keep secret a multi-year effort by the Air Force, the CIA and other federal agencies to withdraw thousands of historical documents from public access on Archives shelves, even though the records had been declassified.

In a 2002 memorandum, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request and released yesterday by the National Security Archive, a nonprofit research library housed at George Washington University, Archives officials agreed to help pull the materials for possible reclassification and conceal the identities of anyone participating in the effort. The Associated Press reported yesterday that it had requested a copy of the memo three years ago.
Xugumad was that accurate back then.

Why would an administration need secrets everywhere - just like Richard Nixon? When crimes must be hidden. When the president is a crook. So when did this administation start hiding everything? Documented here is 'fear of honesty' in 2002.

Remember why so many good Americans such as the Jersey Girls became so mad at George Jr:
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The Bush administration is trying to limit how much the government's response to the Sep11 attacks is investigated.

Specifically, the administration is trying to ensure that only investigations producing secret results are being undertaken. The two committees that the administration is favouring would not be able to release their findings to the public.
That same article so many years ago can now include this quote from the 2002 memo:
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"[i]t is in the interest of both [redacted agency name] and the National Archives and Records Administration to avoid the attention and researcher complaints that may arise from removing material that has already been available publicly from the open shelves for extended periods of time," the Archives memo read, in part.

Thomas S. Blanton, executive director of the National Security Archive, said the memo "shows that the National Archives basically aided and abetted a covert operation that whited out the nation's history by reclassifying previously released documents."
The truth! You can't be trusted with the truth! Does that Jack Nicholson character remind you of George Jr? It should. He has been lying that often to promote an extremist political agenda and his religious extremist supporters.

"Liars are US" somehow confuses the United States with 'us right wing anti-American extremists'. Same principles - fear of honesty - that created and justified Vietnam. Same reason why good Americans had to leak the Pentagon Papers. Same reason why Nixon claimed before the Supreme Court that his power was based in a supreme English monarch and therefore Nixon was above the law. Outright subversion of honesty (and illegal wiretapping to protect that president) is a greatest threat to the Constitution of the United States ... because we cannot be trusted with the truth.

We could not be trusted to know that facts were being withdrawn. We could not even be trusted to know who was doing it. Why must names even be hidden? George Jr is an extremist - who would even take revenge on Amb Wilson and out a CIA agent (treason) in order to promote his agenda. Therefore he fears honesty. No wonder he so supported religious extremists in Dover PA when they even lied in court - as documented in the judge's opinion. Extremists fear honesty - hide the facts. Demonstrates why Urbane Guerilla routinely rewrites history to promote his Rush Limbaugh agenda.

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