What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Well, Spexx, you've done a helluva job the last two pages of cementing your reputation as the Cellar's alpha wanker.

Mind you, I can think of better reputations to establish.

There are amiable people who believe in all the wrong things... one such is in the Oval Office now.

And Redux goes to some trouble to cite further monies being thrown at the problem. Well and good, at least for the Border Patrol. But can proportional results be observed -- say, that could not be just as well credited in both origin and amount to the economic downturn that produced a definite slacking in numbers coming across the Mexican border?

[classicman]

I found her statement at the 20 second mark very odd. Perhaps its just me - actually it probably is.

[piercehawkeye45]

Preventing exploitation isn't odd. Whats odd is how they would enforce fair pay of undocumented workers.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Whats odd is how they would enforce fair pay of undocumented workers.

That was the part to which I was referring.

What do they say? Here is your check and your deportation papers?

[classicman]

Milwaukee County would boycott doing business with firms in Arizona to protest that state’s tough immigration law, under a measure endorsed Thursday by a County Board panel.

The county would avoid new contracts with Arizona firms or the state of Arizona and possibly discontinue any current contracts with firms in that state, under a resolution unanimously approved by the board’s finance committee. It also would bar county employees from travel to conferences in Arizona.

The aim would be to punish the state for the immigration law Arizona enacted last month that makes it a crime for immigrants to fail to carry immigration documents and gives police broad power to detain a suspected illegal immigrant.

Supervisors Peggy West and Elizabeth M.Coggs called the Arizona law racist.

“It reminds me of the days of apartheid in South Africa,” said Coggs.

The resolution goes to the full County Board Thursday.

Ok fine. Lets fast forward to Thursday ....

“Liberal Democrat County Supervisor Peggy West of Milwaukee demonstrates her superior intellectual abilities.”

They were debating whether the Milwaukee County Board in Wisconsin should boycott Arizona.

Her actual words: “If this was Texas, which is a state that is directly on the border with Mexico, and they were calling for a measure like this saying that they had a major issue with undocumented people flooding their borders, I would have to look twice at this. But this is a state that is a ways removed from the border.”

Yeh ok...

[lookout123]

God bless the idiots, one and all. On a serious note, it is an easy mistake to make. I'm sure geology wasn't her major in college.

I wonder if she knows that AZ is majority White?

It is an easy mistake to make.

From a recent debate of Republican candidates for governor of AZ:

Brewer immediately jumped in, saying, “We are a nation of laws. And they are coming across our border illegally. And the majority of them in my opinion and I think in the opinion of law enforcement is that they are not coming here to work. They are coming here and they're bringing drugs. And they're doing drop houses and they're extorting people and they're terrorizing the families. That is the truth, Matt. That is the truth...”

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/EJMontini/87586

The majority are not coming to work? The majority are drug-dealing extortionists and terrorizing families?

The honorable governor AZ should do some fact checking of her own.

[xoxoxoBruce]

At this point he's probably right. Since the start of the recession the ones seeking work have been leaving, but the ones involved in crime, or escaping Mexican Authorities keep coming.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

At this point he's probably right. Since the start of the recession the ones seeking work have been leaving, but the ones involved in crime, or escaping Mexican Authorities keep coming.

Beyond a few anecdotes, the overwhelming data would suggest otherwise. The vast majority of illegals do not commit other crimes.

And putting that aside, police chiefs in AZ have expressed that one of their concerns with the law is that it will have an adverse impact on community policing, resulting in less trust of the police among the Hispanic community.

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Oh, and the "he" (governor) is a she.

[classicman]

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

SOME police chiefs in AZ have expressed...

Fixed it for you.... [/Reduxpropaganda]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Fixed it for you.... [/Reduxpropaganda]

If you're gonna fix it, then fix it correctly....

Originally Posted by Redux

The non-partisan AZ Association of Chiefs of Police has expressed....

Unless you have evidence that the AACOP is a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

added:
I am curious...do you think this is not propaganda:

...the majority of them in my opinion and I think in the opinion of law enforcement is that they are not coming here to work. They are coming here and they're bringing drugs. And they're doing drop houses and they're extorting people and they're terrorizing the familie

[TheMercenary]

It has nothing more than the fact that they are not the MAJORITY of opinions in AZ, unless you have something to bring to the table that refutes iin AZ that is the majority opinion?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It has nothing more than the fact that they are not the MAJORITY of opinions in AZ, unless you have something to bring to the table that refutes iin AZ that is the majority opinion?

I agree that the AACOP does not represent the majority of opinion....just the majority of the top police executives in the state, who I think most would agree, have a greater understanding of the potential impact of the law than the average citizen.

Polls make for great politics, but not always the best policy.