Vaccination & epidemic

[Clodfobble]

A retrovirus (similar to HIV) has been tentatively connected to autism:

Last week, researchers from the University of Nevada, the National Cancer Institute and The Cleveland Clinic announced the startling discovery of antibodies to a little known retrovirus in 95% of patients with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS), a debilitating neuro-immune disease impacting more than a million people in the United States.

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Researchers tested blood samples from a "small group of children" with autism and found that 40% of them were positive for XMRV, according to a statement from the Nevada Commission on Autism Spectrum Disorders. More testing is underway which, the Commission said, "could dramatically increase that 40% positive finding." (Given the small sample size, such a statement is purely speculative).

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"On that note, if I might speculate a little bit," she said, "This might even explain why vaccines would lead to autism in some children, because these viruses live and divide and grow in lymphocytes -- the immune response cells, the B and the T cells. So when you give a vaccine, you send your B and T cells in your immune system into overdrive. That's its job. Well, if you are harboring one virus, and you replicate it a whole bunch, you've now broken the balance between the immune response and the virus. So you have had the underlying virus, and then amplified it with that vaccine, and then set off the disease, such that your immune system could no longer control other infections, and created an immune deficiency."

[xoxoxoBruce]

these viruses live and divide and grow in lymphocytes -- the immune response cells, the B and the T cells. So when you give a vaccine, you send your B and T cells in your immune system into overdrive. That's its job. Well, if you are harboring one virus, and you replicate it a whole bunch, you've now broken the balance between the immune response and the virus.

So is it a matter of timing, introducing the vaccine before the virus has been defeated?
If the virus is never defeated, and it's a never ending battle, then wouldn't any infection, anything the immune system is called on to battle, cause the virus to spread?

[Clodfobble]

In theory, yes, just like a normal disease can set off Type 1 diabetes in a child predisposed to it. But the vaccine's adjuvants throw the whole system into a far larger response than it normally would give to any real infection. So the chances of a vaccine causing the virus to spread are much higher than an appropriately-modulated immune response to a normal pathogen. Not to mention that in the real world, you don't usually get Diptheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Hepatitis B, and influenza all in the same day.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Ahhh, OK. Thank you.

[Clodfobble]

Have you heard about Desiree Jennings yet?

A routine flu vaccination triggered a severe, permanent neurological reaction in this otherwise healthy woman. But the doctors would like to reiterate that the chances of a neurological reaction to a vaccine are only one in a million, y'all. They're totally positive about that.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If the virus is never defeated, and it's a never ending battle, then wouldn't any infection, anything the immune system is called on to battle, cause the virus to spread?

I think that is a bit of a stretch. Much of that thinking is theoretical.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

A routine flu vaccination triggered a severe, permanent neurological reaction in this otherwise healthy woman. But the doctors would like to reiterate that the chances of a neurological reaction to a vaccine are only one in a million, y'all. They're totally positive about that.

And how many people are going to get vaccinated just this year alone?

[Clodfobble]

Oh hey, I forgot to mention, you know what two of the most common comorbid symtoms of autism are? Dystonia and seizures.

[Undertoad]

Apparently the neurology department at the U of Maryland is using this video to demonstrate psychogenic dystonia. She isn't making it up, but it's in her head. link

eta: which do you trust more, Inside Edition or local Fox affiliates?

[Clodfobble]

The brain is a delicate and complicated thing. A lot of people believe social anxiety is all in one's head, too.

[Cloud]

can't even get the flu shots ifn you want em.

BD#1 (8 mos pregnant) was told yesterday by her doctor to get the shots, only to find out they ran out of h1n1 yesterday.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Apparently the neurology department at the U of Maryland is using this video to demonstrate psychogenic dystonia. She isn't making it up, but it's in her head. link

eta: which do you trust more, Inside Edition or local Fox affiliates?

Are you ƒucking kidding me?

This is what I learned from watching the video you posted: The doctors who have actually examined her believe she has dystonia. Then "some guy" on the news who hasn't examined her, but has seen some videos of her, thinks she might have this other condition.

[Undertoad]

A lot of people believe social anxiety is all in one's head, too.

Yes, stupid people. Psychiatric doctors believe differently, and as a result, they routinely cure people of it.

[Undertoad]

This is what I learned from watching the video you posted: The doctors who have actually examined her believe she has dystonia. Then "some guy" on the news who hasn't examined her, but has seen some videos of her, thinks she might have this other condition.

Yes, where "some guy" is Dr. Stephen Grill, who spent three years in a neurology residency; four years in a fellowship on movement disorders with the National Institutes of Health; is a Medical Advisor for the Dystonia Medical Research Foundation; is lead physician at the Parkinson's & Movement Disorders Center of Maryland; and is a tenured professor at Johns Hopkins, where Desiree was diagnosed.

[Undertoad]

Here's what the Dystonia Foundation has to say:

http://www.dystonia-foundation.org/p...ystonia/85.php

• The diagnosis of psychogenic dystonia can be exceedingly difficult. Secondary dystonias and psychogenic dystonias, in particular, may have similar characteristics.

• In most cases only an experienced movement disorder expert can identify the subtle aspects of an individual’s history and physical examination that support a psychogenic cause for the symptoms.