Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

[Happy Monkey]

[BigV]

Originally Posted by BigV

… 3 -- Wear a mask or a bandanna to help you become aware of your hands moving to your face. It does not need to be a medical mask. The mask will not prevent the disease, it helps you stop carrying the disease from your hands to your face.

Originally Posted by sexobon

This needs clarification:

Bandanas and non-medical masks won't prevent the disease.

We're literally saying the same thing. Perhaps you didn't watch the video, that's ok. The point of the masks, as I have summarized from the doctor's video, is to help make the wearer aware of the practically inescapable subconscious tendency for people to touch their faces. Ol' one eye has documented this, Ol' bandanna helps highlight this habit in real time.

Your points about aerosols are well taken, but the video talks about the difference in risk between carrying the virus from your hand to your face versus aerosols and the difference is overwhelming. If a bandanna keeps me from carrying the virus from my hand to my face then it's doing the job it's designed for.

[sexobon]

I did watch the video and found some of what the doctor had to say disconcerting. I wanted to ensure that no one would take away from your summarization that the primary point of all masks used by non-healthcare people was to help prevent hand to face transmission. No harm in that.

[BigV]

Ok, what remarks did the doctor make that you find disconcerting?

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by BigV

Ok, what remarks did the doctor make that you find disconcerting?

Not to beat a dead horse; but, your video doctor may have found a protagonist in Trump:

Trump suggests wearing a scarf against coronavirus. The CDC isn’t so sure.

With the video doctor's peers; however, not so much:

Surgeon General Jerome Adams said last month that people could increase their chance of getting coronavirus if they wore masks without training. Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health, an immunologist who is a member of the White House coronavirus task force, said weeks ago that wearing a mask could encourage people to touch their face more, possibly increasing their chance of infection.

[BOLD MINE]

The disparity between the video doc and other prominent docs is also disconcerting.

It'll be interesting to see what lessons are learned and by whom.

[sexobon]

I can start with the title saying how easy it is to not get infected. If it were that easy, few would be getting infected. My experience as an instructor-evaluator with ol' one eye says that even with knowledgeable people it's not so easy. This doctor seems to be trying to convince himself (and others) that it is; so, he doesn't have to fret about it...a self prescribed placebo. He said he used to be afraid; but, now he's not. Only dead people have no fear.

He thanks people for donating medical masks; but, says it's not yet enough and downplays their intrinsic value to others while emphasizing the tangent value of non-medical masks. Conflict of interest.

He mentioned distancing by 2-3 feet when others are on the 6 foot distancing sheet of music. He's mixing healthcare worker compromises with recommended practices for non-healthcare people.

The gist of it is, teaching standards can fall by the wayside when subject matter experts go rogue. I believe this to be the case here.

As a senior instructor, I've been a course quality control NCO. I used to formally evaluate instructors by watching their presentations (in person or via classroom cameras and a monitor in my office). The assessment is standardized and I've evaluated presenters from EMTs to orthopedic surgeons. I have a practiced eye and recognize that even the best of intentions can yield questionable results if not presented properly. That's where I'm coming from.
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[sexobon]

It looks like this country's vacation has been extended through the end of April. I expect that Governors and Mayors who have issued Stay At Home orders will follow suit and extend them.

Trump says coronavirus 'peak in death rate' likely in 2 weeks, extends social-distancing guidelines through April 30

… President Trump declared that "the peak in death rate" in the coronavirus pandemic "is likely to hit in two weeks," and said the federal government will be extending its social-distancing guidelines through April 30. …

… Saying his earlier hope that the country could reopen by Easter was "just an aspiration,"...

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by sexobon

I love those two quotes together...

[robertca]

Coronavirus Origin Theories

Source: (link on first post removed)

[BigV]

Hello robertca, welcome to the cellar.

[Gravdigr]

Tripped across this, surfing:

[glatt]

My governor just told us all that June 10th is the earliest we will be free to travel.

[tw]

Originally Posted by glatt

... June 10th is the earliest we will be free to travel.

Then we can all say, "What happened to spring?" And not be suffering from dementia.

[Griff]

Does anyone have insight into what's happening in Florida? Are they depending on local response?

[sexobon]

He's a Democrat AND a doctor; so, he has to one-up everyone else.