Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone - Page 26

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-21-2007, 10:23 PM

Welp, keeping "ahead of us on the brutality scale" does mean they really suck bad enough that they should be defeated, defunded, destroyed and made pariahs of all men, and left talking to themselves in isolation cells and cardboard boxes in rainy alleys. Those that are still in shape to talk at all.

Be happy to defeat them, and don't agonize about how we have to be tough to win. It's bloody useless, and it will make you personally die a dog's death if they are ever lucky enough and powerful enough to catch you, HM.

Happy Monkey · 01-22-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Welp, keeping "ahead of us on the brutality scale" does mean they really suck bad enough that they should be defeated, defunded, destroyed and made pariahs of all men, and left talking to themselves in isolation cells and cardboard boxes in rainy alleys. Those that are still in shape to talk at all.

And then, after we've happily followed them, we would deserve the same.

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-21-2007, 10:29 PM

Ibram, if you cannot learn from me, as evinced by every word you wrote in the first two paragraphs of post #455, then you are in effect extremely stupid. Which does not actually match your true intellectual powers. However, there is no one so very stupid as one determined beyond any bounds of sense to stay stupid just out of some childish dislike. Be very ashamed of yourself.

@ whom it may concern: free rein -- loosened control, not rulership at no charge.

Ibby · 01-22-2007, 01:36 AM

Then please, oh wise and powerful UG, explain to me how we plan to wage a war on an idea, an ideology, a feeling?

yesman065 · 01-22-2007, 10:40 AM

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Then please, oh wise and powerful UG, explain to me how we plan to wage a war on an idea, an ideology, a feeling?

We shouldn't! We should just pack up all our shit and go home and wait in blissful ignorance until they kick the door in and stick a bomb up our asses. Then we can call the "more benevolent nations" to help us out. Oh nevermind, it'll be too late by then. Hell, lets just all convert now.

Griff · 01-22-2007, 11:04 AM

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Hell, lets just all convert now.

I doubt Chuck Hagel is converting, but here he is pandering to us surrender monkeys.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-22-2007, 02:27 PM

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We shouldn't! We should just pack up all our shit and go home and wait in blissful ignorance until they kick the door in and stick a bomb up our asses. Then we can call the "more benevolent nations" to help us out. Oh nevermind, it'll be too late by then. Hell, lets just all convert now.

Maybe the fact that they hate us is because we are over there killing them. For every civilian we kill over there, ten more are going to grow up hating us.

Do you know how the American Revolution started to gain steam? The British would hurt innocent civilians and kill their neighbors. So they would hate the British for what they did to them, even if their neighbor started it first.

yesman065 · 01-22-2007, 04:33 PM

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Maybe the fact that they hate us is because we are over there killing them. For every civilian we kill over there, ten more are going to grow up hating us.

We aren't over there intentionally killing civilians PH. Of course there are unintentional casualties, but they are not the enemy. Iraqi insurgents are being included as civilian deaths as well. Not all of them are over there wearing a bright sign that says "ENEMY" on it. Many Iraqi civilians are being killed by the enemy as well. Of course, thats our fault too.

01-22-2007, 01:49 PM

The fact is that we agreed on and signed the Geneva Convention... we are not complying.
Right now, we are just as much the bad guys as they are. In Iraq, we are just the bad guys. We started it and are continuing it, regardless of the few good PR things we do.
If we were invaded and occupied the way they are there would be an insurgency, I would be part of it and we would be doing what they are.
By international law, what they are doing is legal and should be. (I am not including the foreigners in Iraq just there to kill Americans, separate issue)

I support our troops, BTW, those who sent them there are international criminals and mass-murderers.

glatt · 01-22-2007, 03:01 PM

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If we were invaded and occupied the way they are there would be an insurgency, I would be part of it and we would be doing what they are.

You would blow up civilians in crowded markets just like the Iraqi insurgents do?

01-22-2007, 03:18 PM

I don't believe that that is common to Iraqi insurgents. More illegal immigrants there to continue their campaign of terror (that they would not be doing if we had not invaded and occupied an non-threat nation)... I was talking more along the line of direct fighting and blowing-up their vehicles, gorilla warfare.
Yes, I would do that.
Targeting civilians, no, in no way.

glatt · 01-22-2007, 04:07 PM

It's not just Iraqis vs. Americans. It's also a power struggle between the different religious factions.

It would be like if the Russians invaded the US, and the Baptists took the opportunity to go into a Catholic neighborhood to blow up a Walmart there, and any Russian soldiers they might see in the area too.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-22-2007, 05:10 PM

It's a lose lose situation. I can't be certain but I would guess that Iraqis are more pissed at their poor living conditions than anything.

yesman065 · 01-22-2007, 09:24 PM

I think its a very different culture over there and the vast majority have absolutely no concept of what a democracy is or could be. They have no idea how wonderful life can be. All they've ever known is the same bullshit and fragmented society. Freedom is a word without a definition to them. Something they've never had nor can grasp.
Furthermore, those that oppose us wish to continue to exert their control upon the masses or gain more by any means - for their own gain/profit or power. Too bad we'll probably never be able to give the power back to the people - its a sin really.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-22-2007, 09:29 PM

We are not giving them freedom. We are running into their house, taking their possessions and peeing on them on the way out.

We have to slowly give them democracy or they will reject it. Also, I bet the USSR was saying almost the exact same thing as you 60 years ago.

01-21-2007, 10:23 PM	#1
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Welp, keeping "ahead of us on the brutality scale" does mean they really suck bad enough that they should be defeated, defunded, destroyed and made pariahs of all men, and left talking to themselves in isolation cells and cardboard boxes in rainy alleys. Those that are still in shape to talk at all. Be happy to defeat them, and don't agonize about how we have to be tough to win. It's bloody useless, and it will make you personally die a dog's death if they are ever lucky enough and powerful enough to catch you, HM. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-21-2007, 10:29 PM	#3
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Ibram, if you cannot learn from me, as evinced by every word you wrote in the first two paragraphs of post #455, then you are in effect extremely stupid. Which does not actually match your true intellectual powers. However, there is no one so very stupid as one determined beyond any bounds of sense to stay stupid just out of some childish dislike. Be very ashamed of yourself. @ whom it may concern: free rein -- loosened control, not rulership at no charge. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 01-21-2007 at 10:36 PM.

01-22-2007, 01:36 AM	#4
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Then please, oh wise and powerful UG, explain to me how we plan to wage a war on an idea, an ideology, a feeling? __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-22-2007, 01:49 PM	#9
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	The fact is that we agreed on and signed the Geneva Convention... we are not complying. Right now, we are just as much the bad guys as they are. In Iraq, we are just the bad guys. We started it and are continuing it, regardless of the few good PR things we do. If we were invaded and occupied the way they are there would be an insurgency, I would be part of it and we would be doing what they are. By international law, what they are doing is legal and should be. (I am not including the foreigners in Iraq just there to kill Americans, separate issue) I support our troops, BTW, those who sent them there are international criminals and mass-murderers.

01-22-2007, 03:18 PM	#11
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I don't believe that that is common to Iraqi insurgents. More illegal immigrants there to continue their campaign of terror (that they would not be doing if we had not invaded and occupied an non-threat nation)... I was talking more along the line of direct fighting and blowing-up their vehicles, gorilla warfare. Yes, I would do that. Targeting civilians, no, in no way.

01-22-2007, 04:07 PM	#12
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	It's not just Iraqis vs. Americans. It's also a power struggle between the different religious factions. It would be like if the Russians invaded the US, and the Baptists took the opportunity to go into a Catholic neighborhood to blow up a Walmart there, and any Russian soldiers they might see in the area too.

01-22-2007, 05:10 PM	#13
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	It's a lose lose situation. I can't be certain but I would guess that Iraqis are more pissed at their poor living conditions than anything.

01-22-2007, 09:24 PM	#14
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	I think its a very different culture over there and the vast majority have absolutely no concept of what a democracy is or could be. They have no idea how wonderful life can be. All they've ever known is the same bullshit and fragmented society. Freedom is a word without a definition to them. Something they've never had nor can grasp. Furthermore, those that oppose us wish to continue to exert their control upon the masses or gain more by any means - for their own gain/profit or power. Too bad we'll probably never be able to give the power back to the people - its a sin really.

01-22-2007, 09:29 PM	#15
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	We are not giving them freedom. We are running into their house, taking their possessions and peeing on them on the way out. We have to slowly give them democracy or they will reject it. Also, I bet the USSR was saying almost the exact same thing as you 60 years ago.

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