Al Franken...is this for real? - Page 26

classicman · 04-20-2009, 10:00 PM

How long did they have to read the 11,000 page bill earlier this year? How long should they have? How long would it really take an average person to read and comprehend all that? What was the rush to get it done "that week" again?

04-20-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

How long did they have to read the 11,000 page bill earlier this year? How long should they have? How long would it really take an average person to read and comprehend all that? What was the rush to get it done "that week" again?

In fact, the president is required by law to submit a budget proposal in Feb of every year and Congress is supposed to adopt a budget resolution by the end of April.

The size of the bill is nothing new nor is the fact that members of Congress dont read bills..that is why they have staff.

That is what was done this year.

But it doesnt mean that a budget was adopted...the budget proposal is simply a blueprint....it doesnt even go back to the president for signature..again by law.

The next step are 13 separate appropriation bills which make up the budget, again, where Republicans will have opportunities to offer amendments on each of those bills.

classicman · 04-20-2009, 10:07 PM

I was referring to the stimulus bill.

But thanks for the procedural info. I didn't realize that the budget didn't go back to the Pres. after approval.

TheMercenary · 04-20-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

The next step are 13 separate appropriation bills which make up the budget, again, where Republicans will have opportunities to offer amendments on each of those bills.

Omnibus Appropriations bill (H.R. 1105)

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Despite some initial concern last week among Democratic leaders, they successfully maneuvered around some tricky Republican amendments and kept the bill from being modified.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said that she would not make her members vote on the package again if the Senate changed it. That would have meant an extension of an existing continuing resolution. That will not be necessary and the bill will now be sent to the President, who will sign it.

Update (3/11): President Obama has signed this bill into law.

http://senatus.wordpress.com/2009/03...riations-bill/

04-20-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Omnibus Appropriations bill (H.R. 1105)

http://senatus.wordpress.com/2009/03...riations-bill/

Right....Obama signed the 09 omnibus bill....which was Bush's last budget....and the Republicans didnt get everything they want..it is not an issue of transparency...they are the minority!

The 2010 budget resolution that he sent to Congress in Feb does not come back to him for signature....that is the law.

TheMercenary · 04-20-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Right....Obama signed the 09 omnibus bill....which was Bush's last budget....and the Republicans didnt get everything they want..it is not an issue of transparency...they are the minority!

You crack me up. What an apologist! Now it is because they are the majority. Which is it?

"Hey, fuck you, we are in charge."

You are a partisan hack for the demoncrats.

04-20-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Omnibus Appropriations bill (H.R. 1105)

http://senatus.wordpress.com/2009/03...riations-bill/

Your implication that because the Republcans dont get everything they want or dont want in the budgtet..and bitch and moan...that somehow there is a lack of transparency.

Bullshit.

TheMercenary · 04-20-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Your implication that because the Republcans dont get everything they want or dont want in the budgtet..and bitch and moan...that somehow there is a lack of transparency.

Bullshit.

No, as I have posted they did not provide transparency by not releasing the details of the budget through a very short suspence. Stop being such an apologist. It was all over the news.

04-20-2009, 10:12 PM

Re: the stimulus bill....Obama was elected to do something quickly and it includes provisions for oversight and transparency.

The Pres ultimately signs (or vetoes) each of the 13 separate appropriation bills that make up the budget. That is supposed to happen by Sept 30, but hasnt for the last few Congresses.....then comes those catch all "omnibus" bills that keep the government running.

I think the Senate has a 1200 page document that explains the budget process...lol.

sugarpop · 04-20-2009, 10:16 PM

Republicans are going to continue saying no, simply because they want to obstruct anything and everything they can, whether it is good or not. They want to usurp power because they are sorry losers.

About the Florida election, HBO (or maybe it was PBS) did a documentary a while back about it. Some people who were collecting the ballots found evidence that in one precinct the original ballots had been thrown in the trash and other ones had replaced them. the ballots that were thrown away had Gore winning, the ballots that replaced the original ones had Bush winning. It was really horrifying. You should check it out. I can't remember at the moment what it was called, but I will try to look it up and post it later.

classicman · 04-20-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Re: the stimulus bill....Obama was elected to do something quickly and it includes provisions for oversight and transparency.

Dude - can you just agree that it got slammed through in a completely unreasonable time frame? Seriously. It was so friggin blatant. you are losing cred here. It was a joke and everyone knows it. Her trip was planned and she wasn't changing her plans for anybody.

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

Republicans are going to continue saying no, simply because they want to obstruct anything and everything they can, whether it is good or not. They want to usurp power because they are sorry losers.

Some - absolutely - some are very good hardworking people - just like some democrats. They just have ideological differences.
On the other hand, some of them, from both parties, need to go away - they are the problem. They are the lifelong politicians who get corrupted by the power and the money.

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About the Florida election,

It was a movie on HBO - It was as real as the bullshit Mikey Moore does. ie - not at all.

sugarpop · 04-20-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Dude - can you just agree that it got slammed through in a completely unreasonable time frame? Seriously. It was so friggin blatant. you are losing cred here. It was a joke and everyone knows it. Her trip was planned and she wasn't changing her plans for anybody.

Some - absolutely - some are very good hardworking people - just like some democrats. They just have ideological differences.
On the other hand, some of them, from both parties, need to go away - they are the problem. They are the lifelong politicians who get corrupted by the power and the money.

Charlie Christ comes to mind as a great republican who is intent on working with democrats. Arnold is another one. But the ones in the House and Senate, most of them are intent on doing everything they can to obstruct, for no reason other than they can.

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It was a movie on HBO - It was as real as the bullshit Mikey Moore does. ie - not at all.

No, it wasn't. You are just saying that because it was telling the truth about a volitile issue, one that republicans have controlled for the past 8 years. yea, yea, I know. I'm a conspiracy theorist, right?

04-20-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

Charlie Christ comes to mind as a great republican who is intent on working with democrats. Arnold is another one. But the ones in the House and Senate, most of them are intent on doing everything they can to obstruct, for no reason other than they can.

The most electable Republican on a national level, IMO....if he had any other name.....

....Jeb Bush.

Undertoad · 04-20-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

About the Florida election, HBO (or maybe it was PBS) did a documentary a while back about it.

I gave you documented information from the New York Times...

You gave me a weak memory of some scene that frightened you in a film made for pay TV by the guy who did the Austin Powers films.

classicman · 04-20-2009, 10:44 PM

Sugarpoppyseed - lay off the hard stuff its frying your brain.

Read the posts that responded to yours. See the reality. Its not as slanted as you think. It really isn't.

(see below) I quoted it since you apparently missed it the first time.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

I gave you documented information from the New York Times...

You gave me a weak memory of some scene that frightened you in a film made for pay TV by the guy who did the Austin Powers films.

04-20-2009, 10:00 PM	#1
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	How long did they have to read the 11,000 page bill earlier this year? How long should they have? How long would it really take an average person to read and comprehend all that? What was the rush to get it done "that week" again? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-20-2009, 10:07 PM	#3
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I was referring to the stimulus bill. But thanks for the procedural info. I didn't realize that the budget didn't go back to the Pres. after approval. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-20-2009, 10:12 PM	#9
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	Re: the stimulus bill....Obama was elected to do something quickly and it includes provisions for oversight and transparency. The Pres ultimately signs (or vetoes) each of the 13 separate appropriation bills that make up the budget. That is supposed to happen by Sept 30, but hasnt for the last few Congresses.....then comes those catch all "omnibus" bills that keep the government running. I think the Senate has a 1200 page document that explains the budget process...lol.

04-20-2009, 10:16 PM	#10
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Republicans are going to continue saying no, simply because they want to obstruct anything and everything they can, whether it is good or not. They want to usurp power because they are sorry losers. About the Florida election, HBO (or maybe it was PBS) did a documentary a while back about it. Some people who were collecting the ballots found evidence that in one precinct the original ballots had been thrown in the trash and other ones had replaced them. the ballots that were thrown away had Gore winning, the ballots that replaced the original ones had Bush winning. It was really horrifying. You should check it out. I can't remember at the moment what it was called, but I will try to look it up and post it later.

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