Hot takes on the Democratic frontrunners

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by Luce

One thing that has always puzzled me about libertarians is that they cannot accept that you can be a member of society and still maintain your individuality.

One thing that doesn't surprise me about non-libertarians is how they don't understand that libertarianism is an umbrella with a whole whack of differing ideas under it.

I've explained mine (which ain't got nuthin' to do with individualism and which certainly doesn't preclude cooperation).

[glatt]

I was undecided until I saw the CBS debates. I have decide I’m voting for Amy Klobuchar tomorrow.

She’s in last place the last time I checked, but she’s my favorite. So even though I am probably throwing my vote away, she the one who gets it.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by glatt

I have decide I’m voting for Amy Klobuchar tomorrow.

Luckily it's not tomorrow yet... but now what?

[glatt]

Well, shoot.

I actually liked her. Now I have to hold my nose a bit. And make a decision.

The remaining candidates really came across poorly to me in the debate. Trying too hard to seem aggressive.

And if she endorsed Biden, that means Sanders won't select her as a running mate when he wins. His running mate is going to be important since he will likely die in office.

Grr.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by glatt

The remaining candidates really came across poorly to me in the debate. Trying too hard to seem aggressive.

I like Warren's aggressiveness; most of her attacks on Bloomberg would only need a name swap to apply to Trump.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by glatt

And if she endorsed Biden, that means Sanders won't select her as a running mate when he wins. His running mate is going to be important since he will likely die in office.

Grr.

Sanders is likely to check mid-term out as well.


I assume Bloomberg is bribing folks to leave the race...

[xoxoxoBruce]

Bloomburg is in their to help his billionaire buddy Trump by confusing the democrats as much as he can.

[BigV]

Wow, that escalated quickly.

I voted yesterday for Bernie Sanders. We'll see in six days how the rest of Washington voted.

I'm not going to miss the primary winner of American Samoa, Mike Bloomberg. This always felt like a vanity project of his. I think he sincerely detests the leadership of President Trump but the prospect of Yet Another Bazillionaire buying the office made me want to puke.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by BigV

I'm not going to miss the primary winner of American Samoa, Mike Bloomberg.

The best thing he did was preventing Gabbard from winning anything.

This always felt like a vanity project of his. I think he sincerely detests the leadership of President Trump but the prospect of Yet Another Bazillionaire buying the office made me want to puke.

He was pretty clear about why he was running - to prevent Sanders or Warren from raising his taxes, and when he entered Biden looked very weak. Now Biden looks strong, so he feels confident that his tax rate is safe.

[eta]Now he can begin the beneficial part of his campaign, and spend lots of money to specifically beat Trump.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

The best thing he did was preventing Gabbard from winning anything.He was pretty clear about why he was running - to prevent Sanders or Warren from raising his taxes, and when he entered Biden looked very weak. Now Biden looks strong, so he feels confident that his tax rate is safe.

[eta]Now he can begin the beneficial part of his campaign, and spend lots of money to specifically beat Trump.

I agree with you about Gabbard; pass, thanks.

I also agree with you about his most effective contribution (pardon the choice of words) to the most important goal of defeating Trump.

I don't know about his claim (which I didn't see) about keeping his tax bill low by blocking the advance of the campaigns of Sanders or Warren. I think that mistakenly dismisses the function of Congress when it comes to changing taxes.

Getting a different president come November and getting a dramatically different Congress, especially the Senate come November are not the same thing.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by BigV

I don't know about his claim (which I didn't see) about keeping his tax bill low by blocking the advance of the campaigns of Sanders or Warren. I think that mistakenly dismisses the function of Congress when it comes to changing taxes.

All candidates' positions are tempered by that fact.

As for taxes, I was being uncharitable in my interpretation of his basing the decision to run [pp 3] on Biden's apparent weakness to Warren and Sanders at the time.

I'll be more charitable now, assuming he actually supports whoever wins the nomination, and, perhaps more importantly, the downballot candidates as well.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

He was pretty clear about why he was running - to prevent Sanders or Warren from raising his taxes, and when he entered Biden looked very weak.

Biden looked weak. And Sanders was lying out his ass - like a socialist Trump would do. It was not about taxes. Bloomberg was quite right. His programs were lies - not practical - did not address the actual problem. Sanders, for example, would guarantee a Trump victory. That was not in doubt.

Facts about Sanders are accurate and damning. His proposal after proposal is only based in political beliefs - rather then based in reality and actual problems. I have not a clue why anyone would vote for someone who has magic solutions without bothering to first identify a problem. And whose solutions do not solve anything.

That is not an honest man. That is someone only campaigning for support from the emotional - and not from people who learn facts before making a conclusion. Bernie would guarantee Trump's reelection. So Bloomberg (too late but he had to try) entered the race to provide moderates with an intelligent option.

The Economist accurately defined Sanders - who is and acts on the cover so similar to The Don. When Biden was tanking, we desperately needed someone who represents patriotic Americans - the moderates. Biden, getting his act together at the last minute, made Bloomberg unnecessary.

What just happened in the past 48 hours is one for the history books. We have never seen so much political change so fast.

Next question. Can Biden (so well known for being a nice guy) match or deflect insults by a master anti-American, Putin loving, presidential liar and crook? (I am being kinds to that scumbag.)

I was also surprised to learn some Warren proposals also were not based in addressing a problem. She proposed solutions solved only by raising taxes. As if money solves problems. (Only business school graduates make that claim.) I thought she was better than that.

I paid no attention to any of them until after Iowa. Everything before Iowa was irrelevant. After Iowa I was shocked, by learning the problems and reading facts, how bad Sanders was.

[Luce]

The bodies are starting to pile up.

Warren will quit in less than 10 days.

[Griff]

I just heard Howard Dean suggest that Biden needs to embrace a number of Bernie's proposals. He said that after Trumps fucking nonsense someone low-key has appeal but he can't show up with nothing. smrt

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Luce

The bodies are starting to pile up.

Warren will quit in less than 10 days.

Unless they start to do so literally.

Say Bernie gets coronavirus. Dude just had a heart attack; he's a goner. Biden's a little healthier, but very much in the danger zone, age-wise. So is Warren.

Maybe they'll all cark it by the end of the summer, and only young, healthy Buttigieg will be left holding any delegates.