Self Policing Militia Summons - Page 24

lumberjim · 06-29-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Its all in the eyes of the beholder.

I think yours are childish (not cheeky) as a cover to being mean spirited.

Your personal attacks of some others here (not me) were hardly fun for those you target.

06-29-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SamIam

The double standards never cease to amaze me.

And nice to see you again!

lumberjim · 06-29-2010, 04:08 PM

mainly i wanted to say, 'Shut the Fuck up'. but that's such a good song.....

thing is, I'm not at all mean spirited. if you listen to a few people who have some anger and resentment issues, they'll tell you otherwise.... but if you have any kind of a sense of humor about yourself, and can take a little poke in the ribs, I'm nothing to worry about.

if you get all bent and start freaking out, you just look silly. there are a few people who I've mocked unmercifully, but they really and truly deserved it. If you act like a toolbox, I'm going to take the piss out of you, and I don't need to make it personal to do that.

06-29-2010, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

mainly i wanted to say, 'Shut the Fuck up'. but that's such a good song.....

thing is, I'm not at all mean spirited. if you listen to a few people who have some anger and resentment issues, they'll tell you otherwise.... but if you have any kind of a sense of humor about yourself, and can take a little poke in the ribs, I'm nothing to worry about.

if you get all bent and start freaking out, you just look silly. there are a few people who I've mocked unmercifully, but they really and truly deserved it. If you act like a toolbox, I'm going to take the piss out of you, and I don't need to make it personal to do that.

Believe me...I dont worry about you and I frequently laugh..at you, not with you.

You see what you see in others and are blind to what others might see in you.....cant have it both ways, dude.

You judge others (they deserve it), but dont accept or like being judged.

My advice...clean up your own act before you criticize others.

lumberjim · 06-29-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

You judge others (they deserve it), but dont accept or like being judged.

My advice...clean up your own act before you criticize others.

This is where you're wrong. I don't get all butt hurt when people tell me about myself. If they're right about it, and I am out of line, I cop to it.

but this isn't about me... it's about YOU. quit trying to deflect the poo we're flinging at you, and admit that your an argumentative little bitch, and no one will get hurt.

Cloud · 06-29-2010, 05:50 PM

this is getting us nowhere. I'd like to see some concrete suggestions to fix the problem instead of endless name-calling and finger pointing. I'd make a few, but they're all pretty much moderator-oriented, which y'all have rejected out of hand. 'Cause we're all so civilized here, we don't need no stinkin' moderators.

Just in case, here are a few:

1) temp ban a few people for a short period of time to allow things to cool off
2) Actively moderate the politics thread to prevent flame wars (flame wars being defined as overt personal attacks, rather than spirited political discussion)
3) Encourage people "take the bait" when things get heated
4) turn off the quote and multi-quote function in the politics forum
5) delete offending posts or lock threads

SamIam · 06-29-2010, 05:58 PM

Why pick on the politics threads? This thread has been every bit as bad as anything I've seen in the politics forum. People can and do get nasty anywhere they feel like it.

Cloud · 06-29-2010, 06:01 PM

oh, I agree. But this thread was specifically started to address a problem with the politics and current events threads, right?

Flint · 06-29-2010, 06:05 PM

The worst thing that could happen is some king of "moderated board" bullshit.

If you feel that you want a board moderated, DO NOT GO TO THAT BOARD. That is the ultimate solution...don't ruin the whole goddamn site. Same with locked threads--DO NOT READ THAT THREAD. Same with banned users--PUT THAT USER ON IGNORE. Some of us can handle ourselves just fine without a net nanny to change our diapers and put a Hello Kitty bandaid on our boo-boos.

Cloud · 06-29-2010, 06:10 PM

you can say that, but no one seems willing to back off or act in a civilized manner. It's like a bunch of two year olds running around with no supervision. After so many pages of discussion, and more and more vociferous name calling among the principals here, we are no better off, and no solution is in sight. And just saying, "we don't need no stinkin' moderators" isn't helping a whit, that I can see.

So, again, if you don't like my suggestions, fine-- come up with better ones. Concrete ones, even temporary ones. Ones that will ameliorate the problem, even a little. I wasn't insisting on them, just trying to offer some practical alternatives to this pathetic display of defensiveness, indecisiveness, and vitriol.

Flint · 06-29-2010, 06:12 PM

My solution is do nothing. Literally. It is working for me, if it isn't working for you then you must be doing something wrong.

06-29-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

This is where you're wrong. I don't get all butt hurt when people tell me about myself. If they're right about it, and I am out of line, I cop to it.

but this isn't about me... it's about YOU. quit trying to deflect the poo we're flinging at you, and admit that your an argumentative little bitch, and no one will get hurt.

I was respectful through most of this "discussion" (sic).

Now.....its clear to me that you were not interested in resolving the issue as much as you were in playing some role to make yourself feel better and to put down others.

After all, you have given yourself the right to determine if people "really and truly deserved" mocking...and those who disagree with you have no place in the discussion.

If it makes you feel better to call me an "argumentative bitch"...have at it. I'm on to you, dude.

You wanna piss on me....I'll piss right back, big boy.

IMO, you are probably the most destructive influence in the Cellar. Its not Merc or me or anyone else...YOU are the one who is so full of himself and the one who apparently gets some childish pleasure and self-gratification in causing discourse.

SamIam · 06-29-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

oh, I agree. But this thread was specifically started to address a problem with the politics and current events threads, right?

Only LJ knows for sure. I didn't realize that current events was included in the new cellar censorship. Can we still post freely in the other forums?

I manage to survive in the politics forum by refraining from overt nastiness, just as you suggest. If other people want to be uncivil that is their problem.

The cellar has never been censored before. Why start now?

There have been plenty of free for alls here in the past. The cellar managed to survive them. If people don't care for the occasional spats here, there's lots of heavily moderated forums out there in Internet land that they can join instead.

Clodfobble · 06-29-2010, 07:04 PM

The prime confusion here seems to be this: it's not about civility, and it's not about name-calling. There's been plenty of name-calling here in the past. It's about inanity. The conversations in question are so irritating to so many people not because they are negative and mean-spirited, but because they are completely inane. They go in circles and never get anywhere.

It helps if you imagine your conversation being read loudly at a party. If that would make you and your conversing partner look like a couple of single-minded dicks who are incapable of socializing, then your thread is doing the same thing.

Cloud · 06-29-2010, 07:14 PM

I see.

06-29-2010, 04:08 PM	#348
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	mainly i wanted to say, 'Shut the Fuck up'. but that's such a good song..... thing is, I'm not at all mean spirited. if you listen to a few people who have some anger and resentment issues, they'll tell you otherwise.... but if you have any kind of a sense of humor about yourself, and can take a little poke in the ribs, I'm nothing to worry about. if you get all bent and start freaking out, you just look silly. there are a few people who I've mocked unmercifully, but they really and truly deserved it. If you act like a toolbox, I'm going to take the piss out of you, and I don't need to make it personal to do that. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

06-29-2010, 05:50 PM	#351
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	this is getting us nowhere. I'd like to see some concrete suggestions to fix the problem instead of endless name-calling and finger pointing. I'd make a few, but they're all pretty much moderator-oriented, which y'all have rejected out of hand. 'Cause we're all so civilized here, we don't need no stinkin' moderators. Just in case, here are a few: 1) temp ban a few people for a short period of time to allow things to cool off 2) Actively moderate the politics thread to prevent flame wars (flame wars being defined as overt personal attacks, rather than spirited political discussion) 3) Encourage people "take the bait" when things get heated 4) turn off the quote and multi-quote function in the politics forum 5) delete offending posts or lock threads __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

06-29-2010, 06:01 PM	#353
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	oh, I agree. But this thread was specifically started to address a problem with the politics and current events threads, right? __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

06-29-2010, 06:05 PM	#354
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	The worst thing that could happen is some king of "moderated board" bullshit. If you feel that you want a board moderated, DO NOT GO TO THAT BOARD. That is the ultimate solution...don't ruin the whole goddamn site. Same with locked threads--DO NOT READ THAT THREAD. Same with banned users--PUT THAT USER ON IGNORE. Some of us can handle ourselves just fine without a net nanny to change our diapers and put a Hello Kitty bandaid on our boo-boos. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-29-2010, 06:10 PM	#355
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	you can say that, but no one seems willing to back off or act in a civilized manner. It's like a bunch of two year olds running around with no supervision. After so many pages of discussion, and more and more vociferous name calling among the principals here, we are no better off, and no solution is in sight. And just saying, "we don't need no stinkin' moderators" isn't helping a whit, that I can see. So, again, if you don't like my suggestions, fine-- come up with better ones. Concrete ones, even temporary ones. Ones that will ameliorate the problem, even a little. I wasn't insisting on them, just trying to offer some practical alternatives to this pathetic display of defensiveness, indecisiveness, and vitriol. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

06-29-2010, 05:58 PM	#352
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	Why pick on the politics threads? This thread has been every bit as bad as anything I've seen in the politics forum. People can and do get nasty anywhere they feel like it.

06-29-2010, 06:12 PM	#356
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	My solution is do nothing. Literally. It is working for me, if it isn't working for you then you must be doing something wrong. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-29-2010, 07:04 PM	#359
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	The prime confusion here seems to be this: it's not about civility, and it's not about name-calling. There's been plenty of name-calling here in the past. It's about inanity. The conversations in question are so irritating to so many people not because they are negative and mean-spirited, but because they are completely inane. They go in circles and never get anywhere. It helps if you imagine your conversation being read loudly at a party. If that would make you and your conversing partner look like a couple of single-minded dicks who are incapable of socializing, then your thread is doing the same thing. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

06-29-2010, 07:14 PM	#360
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I see. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

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