Drug Wars tooooo close to home! - Page 24

Undertoad · 05-30-2010, 08:55 AM

Point is slippery slope is a logical fallacy and must not be used. That is all

jinx · 05-30-2010, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redux

From your opinion piece:

...provided that person is already lawfully detained.

That is the difference between the Court's decision in Muehler v. Mena and the AZ law....and IMO, a significant difference.

Given that difference...

Significant difference? The AZ law states "After lawful contact".

05-30-2010, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx

Significant difference? The AZ law states "After lawful contact".

Right....and the law makes illegal immigration a state crime, and, in and of itself, a "lawful contact"...and that is the issue.

It is not asking about immigration status after other lawful contact.

If one is already being lawfully detained for questioning in connection to any other crime, I dont think there is an issue of potential discrimination.

If one is solely being detained for questioning based on immigration status as a "lawful contact", I do think there is an issue of potential discrimination. Anglos are not likely be be detained solely on the basis of immigration status being a lawful contact.

And that is the difference the Court should determine.

Cloud · 05-30-2010, 09:51 AM

and lawful contact is quite different from lawful detention. On such semantic differences turn Supreme Court cases.

and I kind of wish you would all go away and start your own immigration thread, or post about this in the neimroller thread, and leave this thread for discussion of drug wars on the border. Related issues, but not quite the same. I acknowledge my powerlessness on this point though.

jinx · 05-30-2010, 09:51 AM

I think you're confused.

Sorry Cloud.

Cloud · 05-30-2010, 09:54 AM

quite possible, but why?

jinx · 05-30-2010, 10:09 AM

No, no, I think redux is confused - in that asking about immigration status comes after lawful contact for another reason. Sorry to muck up your thread.

Cloud · 05-30-2010, 10:10 AM

ah.

05-30-2010, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx

No, no, I think redux is confused - in that asking about immigration status comes after lawful contact for another reason. Sorry to muck up your thread.

"shrug"

I could say the same about you being confused...and neither of us is an expert on the subject.

And I could add, that I didnt make sweeping generalizations. or use a broad brush, questioning the motives and integrity of experts with whom you do not agree.

Sorry for the muck up as well, cloud.

TheMercenary · 06-01-2010, 12:40 PM

Illegal immigration is a crime already. It matters not that a state also makes it a crime.

classicman · 06-01-2010, 12:49 PM

Dude - take it here

TheMercenary · 06-01-2010, 12:57 PM

why?

Cloud · 06-01-2010, 01:04 PM

(Cloud lafs at her powerlessness.ness)

classicman · 06-01-2010, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud

post about this (Immigration) in the neimroller thread, and leave this thread for discussion of drug wars on the border. Related issues, but not quite the same. I acknowledge my powerlessness on this point though.

Cloud · 06-01-2010, 01:22 PM

Immigration problems and issues have been hot topics long before the current drug violence in Cd. Juarez, which isn't very close to Arizona. Maybe we just need a new thread?

And of course I got jumped on for even making a comment about this. But thread drift is apparently just dandy.

05-30-2010, 09:51 AM	#349
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	and lawful contact is quite different from lawful detention. On such semantic differences turn Supreme Court cases. and I kind of wish you would all go away and start your own immigration thread, or post about this in the neimroller thread, and leave this thread for discussion of drug wars on the border. Related issues, but not quite the same. I acknowledge my powerlessness on this point though. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

05-30-2010, 09:51 AM	#350
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	I think you're confused. Sorry Cloud. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

05-30-2010, 09:54 AM	#351
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	quite possible, but why? __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

05-30-2010, 10:09 AM	#352
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	No, no, I think redux is confused - in that asking about immigration status comes after lawful contact for another reason. Sorry to muck up your thread. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

05-30-2010, 10:10 AM	#353
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	ah. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

05-30-2010, 08:55 AM	#346
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Point is slippery slope is a logical fallacy and must not be used. That is all

06-01-2010, 12:40 PM	#355
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Illegal immigration is a crime already. It matters not that a state also makes it a crime.

06-01-2010, 12:49 PM	#356
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Dude - take it here __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-01-2010, 12:57 PM	#357
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	why?

06-01-2010, 01:04 PM	#358
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	(Cloud lafs at her powerlessness.ness) __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

06-01-2010, 01:22 PM	#360
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Immigration problems and issues have been hot topics long before the current drug violence in Cd. Juarez, which isn't very close to Arizona. Maybe we just need a new thread? And of course I got jumped on for even making a comment about this. But thread drift is apparently just dandy. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

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