What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

[xoxoxoBruce]

All that extra money has been dumped into high tech surveillance devices, that they haven't been able to get to work.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

All that extra money has been dumped into high tech surveillance devices, that they haven't been able to get to work.

I dont think that is the case.

Money has gone to more border patrol agents, more customs and enforcement agents, more DoJ prosecutorial resources, more on employment eligibility verification systems. etc.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Peanuts.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Peanuts.

I would suggest looking at budget/appropriation figures.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

the federal government has done more in the last 4-5 years than previous years....

Completely irrelevant. It obviously isn't ENOUGH. Its like being sorta pregnant.
Get the job done.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

I agree with this...You dont see the positives in anything the feds do.

Well you certainly have picked out a wonderful example.
Lets see what was before that - shall we?

Originally Posted by classicman

Senators load financial overhaul with irrelevancies

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I think they see this as one of the last pieces of legislation getting done before the potential clusterfuck returns.

Exactly what is wrong with realizing, in advance, that congress will not get much done for the next couple years as the supermajority deteriorates and it becomes two years of our elected officials basically running for their next term while being paid for this term?

Yes..even with the increased spending in each of the last 4-5 year on both border security and enforcement (deportation)....more needs to be done.

I suggested what I thought it should be....comprehensive federal legislation with even tougher border enforcement AND a pathway to citizenship (with penalties).

NOT a state law that is questionably constitutional, does not have the support of the major law enforcement organization in the state and drives legal residents (not just illegals) out of the state.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Redux

NOT a state law that is questionably constitutional, does not have the support of the major law enforcement organization in the state and drives legal residents (not just illegals) out of the state.

I guess it falls to those of us without a large blind spot to mention it has 70 percent of the state's population -- Hispanics too -- supporting it. They're tired of trailer-trash behavior, of banditos ducking back across the border, of property crimes... all that stuff. Redux, whatever his virtues and qualities may be, does not live in Arizona, and has but little knowledge of it.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I guess it falls to those of us without a large blind spot to mention it has 70 percent of the state's population -- Hispanics too -- supporting it. They're tired of trailer-trash behavior, of banditos ducking back across the border, of property crimes... all that stuff. Redux, whatever his virtues and qualities may be, does not live in Arizona, and has but little knowledge of it.

It certainly does not have 70 percent support among the state's Hispanics...more like 70 percent of Hispanics oppose it.

I also found it ironic that, according to one national poll, it has 2/3 majority support nationwide AND a slighlty larger majority believing it is discriminatory. IMO, a sad commentary when a majority of the population thinks its ok to discriminate (as long as it is discriminating against someone else).

And while I dont live in AZ, I knew that it has a majority white population...despite the assertion by our resident Arizonan to the contrary.

[classicman]

How many of those Hispanics in the polls are here illegally? Are related to or know someone... C'mon.
That would pretty much invalidate that poll info - no?

Originally Posted by classicman

How many of those Hispanics in the polls are here illegally? Are related to or know someone... C'mon.
That would pretty much invalidate that poll info - no?

Knowing how legitimate polling works, I would assume the respondents are from voting rolls...legal residents.

Because they might know or be related to an illegal, their opinion doesnt count as much as any other citizen?

WTF? Thats not a bigoted statement?

But I forgot...you are never wrong!

[classicman]

What are you talking about? There you go again trying to put words in my mouth. no no no ...

If their opinion is based upon being related to a person here illegally. How is that not a biased response?

Originally Posted by classicman

What are you talking about? There you go again trying to put words in my mouth. no no no ...

If their opinion is based upon being related to a person here illegally. How is that not a biased response?

Whining again about putting words in your mouth...'nope..you just dont get it, which is no surprise.

Their bias is no more than your bias that the fed arent doing the job..or my bias that I think the law in unconstitutiohnal..or the bias of some Whites who just dont like Hispanics.

Everyone has a bias...but you evidently think some are more biased than others.

Turn on the light, dimwit!

[classicman]

Uh no. That would not be true, but thats ok. If you really cannot see the difference between the two, thats fine.
Keep on pushing the same old tired partisan lines. Some here will cheer you on.

Of course, you know whats in the hearts of minds of every Hispanic person polled.

Just like you know whats in the hearts of minds of every constitutional expert or law enforcement officials who are concerned about the law...they are all motivated by politcal or financial interests.

No, you're not biased.