Egypt and Arab States circle toilet bowl

[Undertoad]

No problem at all: it's less a question of offending a religion, and more a question of offending a backwards culture by making a statement that turns them into the enemy during treacherous wartime.

If you are offended by burning bibles U R DUMB

They are offended by burning korans because THEY R DUMB

BUT we have to calculate in their DUMB when we go into their country, it's tactical; otherwise the effort will FAIL.

And Mr. Smug in the video is saying it's not fair that we can't be DUMB, when we have to consider their DUMB.

Smug and DUMB at the same time is always nauseating.

[TheMercenary]

Yea, point taken. I understand it from a tactical point of view. I just don't agree with the duplicity and acceptance by the world in general as they assign blame to the person who burned the Koran vs those who actually did the killing. We get a lot of that in our current world situation with unrest in the Middle East. Just struck a cord.

[TheMercenary]

Who is Pam Geller and Frank Gafny?

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Who is Pam Geller and Frank Gafny?

They are two of the ccountry's most vocal Islamophobes who see a Muslim terrorist under tw's bed.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

They are two of the ccountry's most vocal Islamophobes who see a Muslim terrorist under tw's bed.

Oh, please explain, how are they wrong? And Cite....

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Oh, please explain, how are they wrong? And Cite....

Pamela Geller has states that just about every Muslim organization in the US has ties to jihadists, or the Muslim brotherhood, and has infiltrated the Obama administration, all with:

“a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions..."

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/02/03/t...dministration/

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

Pamela Geller has states that just about every Muslim organization in the US has ties to jihadists, or the Muslim brotherhood, and has infiltrated the Obama administration, all with:

I don't see where there is proof that she is wrong. Please provide a citation.

Further, I don't see where she says that "just about every Muslim organization in the US has ties to jihadists, or the Muslim brotherhood, and has infiltrated the Obama administration", your link does not prove that... Please cite.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

They are two of the ccountry's most vocal Islamophobes who see a Muslim terrorist under tw's bed.

That settles it. I've got to get some eye glasses.

[TheMercenary]

Where are your citations about Frank Gafny?

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Where are your citations about Frank Gafny?

Gafney and Geller both recently went so far as to claim the recent CPAC (conservative political action committee) meeting was infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

Gafney and Geller both recently went so far as to claim the recent CPAC (conservative political action committee) meeting was infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood.

Like I said, do you have a factual non-partisan citation for that?

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Like I said, do you have a factual non-partisan citation for that?

How about listening to her in her own words:

Pam Geller: CPAC Infiltrated By 'Muslim Brotherhood Activist

Her proof? Conservative Grover Norquist's wife is Muslim and they contribute to a Muslim charity.

[Fair&Balanced]

Its kinda hard to prove a negative.

Here's more:

In a recent New York Times interview, the blogger Pamela Geller leveled many serious charges against Islam; she stated that Muslims curse Jews and Christians during their five-times-a-day prayer; that the only good Muslim is a secular Muslim; and most perniciously, she said that the Qur'an has never been properly translated, insinuating that it contains dark secrets about Muslims and their religious responsibilities.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...deology/64478/

If you want to believe this crap, I doubt that anyone will change your mind.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

Its kinda hard to prove a negative.

Your burden....

"Muslims curse Jews and Christians"

You don't believe this???

Why? You think they are friends and want to recognize Israel as a legitimate state in the Middle East?

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Your burden....


You don't believe this???

Why? You think they are friends and want to recognize Israel as a legitimate state in the Middle East?

Your wanting to believe something and have it actually be true are two different things. I can point you to a sci-fi series in which the author claims that the Yiddish word 'goy' translates to 'cattle', when in reality the word comes from the bible.

A lot of 'religious war' really had nothing to do with what is actually written in holy books. It had more to do with money, land, and power. Protestants v Catholics had a lot to do with Protestants claiming church land formerly owned by the Catholic church. The strife in Northern Ireland had almost nothing to do with religion but more to do with the political affiliations of majorities in each group and a perceived concentration of political and economic power in one group.

Is there anything explicit in the holy books of any major religion that denigrates another religion or justifies the persecution of other religions - no. Are there vague passages that can be twisted by those with an agenda and tied into cultural or political hatreds to achieve these goals - yes.

What I find twisted is that for propaganda purposes Muslim extremists are digging up myths about Jews that were started by European Christians centuries ago. Specifically blood libel, and I'm not talking about Sarah Palin.