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Old 10-10-2006, 02:07 AM   #1
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Old 10-20-2006, 06:49 AM   #2
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Any non-American citizen even inside the US can be kidnapped, taken to secret prisons, torutured, and cannot even appeal for judicial review. It is now legal. Writ of Habeas Corpus was a cornerstone of American judicial review as defined by the Constitution. Because the Supreme Court, on 29 Jun 2006, made George Jr admit to torture, secret prisons, and kidnapping, then the mental midget got Congress to make kidnapping and torture legal. Bill S3930, that people such as MaggieL avvidly endorsed, now bans the US Supreme Court from protecting Universal Human Rights. Its open season on all non-Americans. MaggieL is not alone in avvidly loving torture.

From the Washington Post of 20 Oct 2006:
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Court Told It Lacks Power in Detainee Cases
Moving quickly to implement the bill signed by President Bush this week that authorizes military trials of enemy combatants, the administration has formally notified the U.S. District Court here that it no longer has jurisdiction to consider hundreds of habeas corpus petitions filed by inmates at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba.

In a notice dated Wednesday, the Justice Department listed 196 pending habeas cases, some of which cover groups of detainees. The new Military Commissions Act (MCA), it said, provides that "no court, justice, or judge" can consider those petitions or other actions related to treatment or imprisonment filed by anyone designated as an enemy combatant, now or in the future.

Beyond those already imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay or elsewhere, the law applies to all non-U.S. citizens, including permanent U.S. residents.
How many in Guantanamo Bay are probably guilty? Eight definitely. Maybe as many as 40. And yet hundreds are held in direct violation of the Universal Declaration for Human Rights without even judicial review. Furthermore, hundreds more were finally released because of international pressure - and are not in prison anywhere because they were not guilty. One was a 13 year old boy. They were Muslim - nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition. Imprisoned for years because America now loves kidnapping and torture of anyone who is not an American citizen ... without judicial review.
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Old 10-21-2006, 11:46 PM   #3
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...the law applies to all non-U.S. citizens, including permanent U.S. residents.
What are non-US citizen permanent residents?
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Old 10-22-2006, 04:29 PM   #4
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You guys really should have gone to the programs at the Constitution Center last year when I invited everyone.

Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus during the Civil War.
Bush thinks that he is Lincoln.

Logically, it makes sense that he would suspend HC.

Did anyone see a TV movie called 'The Second Civil War'. Phil Hartman plays a president who can't make his own decisions. At the very end of the movie he channels Lincoln and starts the war.
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Old 10-22-2006, 05:30 PM   #5
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Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus during the Civil War.
Bush thinks that he is Lincoln.

Logically, it makes sense that he would suspend HC.
He who, white man? Bush or Lincoln? As I recall, Lincoln was not a power-mad psycho and the Civil War was one that was actually officially declared. Also, in the Civil War, there was little question of who the enemy was - it was either those damn Confederates or those damn Yankees, depending on your point of view.

Now we have a "war on terror" which seems to include the entire world.

Bush is just doing whatever he can to gather power in the executive office. Big diff.

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Old 11-03-2006, 02:06 PM   #6
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From the NY Times of 3 Nov 2006:
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Congress Tells Auditor in Iraq to Close Office
Investigations led by a Republican lawyer named Stuart W. Bowen Jr. in Iraq have sent American occupation officials to jail on bribery and conspiracy charges, exposed disastrously poor construction work by well-connected companies like Halliburton and Parsons, and discovered that the military did not properly track hundreds of thousands of weapons it shipped to Iraqi security forces.

And tucked away in a huge military authorization bill that President Bush signed two weeks ago is what some of Mr. Bowen’s supporters believe is his reward for repeatedly embarrassing the administration: a pink slip.

The order comes in the form of an obscure provision that terminates his federal oversight agency, the Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, on Oct. 1, 2007. The clause was inserted by the Republican side of the House Armed Services Committee over the objections of Democratic counterparts during a closed-door conference,
When god says to steal from America, then clearly god does not want lawyers being more honest than god's chosen political party. Apparently god put that provision is the committee report. It just doesn't look good for god or for Republican extremists. God even wanted you to not read this post - or was that just another presidential lie.

Clearly god wanted this. Therefore it should not affect how you vote next week.
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Old 10-22-2006, 09:46 PM   #7
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What are non-US citizen permanent residents?
There isn't another word for it, I don't think. Neil Gaiman is one, IIRC, though.
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Old 10-23-2006, 05:35 AM   #8
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OK, Gaiman is married to an American and has two American children, so that would make sense.
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Old 10-27-2006, 09:05 AM   #9
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What are non-US citizen permanent residents?
U.S. PERMANENT RESIDENTS AND OTHER ELIGIBLE
NONCITIZENS
A lawful permanent resident (LPR) is a noncitizen who is legally
permitted to live and work in the United States permanently. Other
eligible noncitizens:
• Refugees are given indefinite employment authorization. Their
status continues unless revoked by DHS or until lawful
permanent resident status is granted, which refugees may apply
for after one year.
• Persons granted asylum in the United States are also authorized
for indefinite employment, and they can apply for permanent
residence after one year. Asylee status continues unless revoked
by DHS or until permanent resident status is granted.
• Conditional entrants are refugees who entered the United States
under the seventh preference category of P.L. 89-236 or whose
status was adjusted to lawful permanent resident alien under
that category. Note that the DHS stopped using this category on
March 31, 1980.
• Persons paroled into the U.S. for at least one year must provide
evidence (such as having filed a valid permanent resident
application) from the DHS that they are in the U.S. for other
than a temporary purpose and intend to become a citizen or
permanent resident.
• Cuban-Haitian entrants.
Some non-eligible statuses are:
• Family unity status. Such individuals have been granted relief
from deportation under the Family Unity Program. Previously
they were eligible for FSA funds.
• Temporary residents are allowed to live and work in the U.S.
under the Legalization or Special Agricultural Worker program.
Previously they were eligible for FSA funds.
• Persons with non-immigrant visas, who include those with work
visas, students, visitors, and foreign government officials.

From the Dept of Education Student Eligibility Guide

Does this answer the question or am I totally off base?
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Old 10-27-2006, 06:44 PM   #10
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Does this answer the question or am I totally off base?
Yes, thank you.
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Old 10-27-2006, 03:48 AM   #11
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500,000 troops is impossible without a draft. And we all know a draft in the US is political suicide...
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Old 10-27-2006, 07:57 AM   #12
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500,000 troops is impossible without a draft. And we all know a draft in the US is political suicide...
Yeppers. So we really only have two choices: "Stay the course" or leave. We have backed ourselves into a demoralizing war of attrition that could last for years.

I'd give anything for a return of the draft. The pol's wouldn't be able to get us out of Iraq quickly enough.
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Old 10-27-2006, 08:43 AM   #13
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I'd give anything for a return of the draft.
Easy for you to say. You wouldn't be drafted.
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Old 10-27-2006, 03:38 PM   #14
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Easy for you to say. You wouldn't be drafted.

There, there. I'll send you and your outfit a Care Package when you go.
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Old 11-17-2006, 05:48 PM   #15
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