Terri Schiavo's Parents Seek Divorce on Her Behalf - Page 21

Troubleshooter · 04-03-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

Here in the US, we can probably keep a large number of people alive indefinitely if they do not have a degenerative condition like cancer.

Sounds like Congress...

richlevy · 04-03-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Sounds like Congress...

No, they're degenerates with a condition.

Undertoad · 04-03-2005, 07:41 PM

You are in the hospital, you are killed.

<pre>
You are a vegetable You are conscious
+-------------------------+--------------------+
|1 |2 |
You said you wanted to live | Murder | Murder |
| | |
+-------------------------+--------------------+
|3 |4 |
You said you wanted to die | ??? | Murder* |
| | |
+-------------------------+--------------------+
</pre>

I guess it depends on what you call case #4. If you call it assisted suicide then I guess case #3 is not murder.

OnyxCougar · 04-04-2005, 05:47 AM

I suppose the difference for me is this:

If you said you wanted to live and they couldn't keep you alive: death by (whatever killed you)
If you said you wanted to live and they wouldn't keep you alive (but they could have): murder
If you said you wanted to die and they DNR - death by (whatever killed you)

If you said you wanted to live and they keep you on machines: following your wishes.
If you said you wanted to die and they keep you on machines: illegal

Does that make sense to anybody but me?

Troubleshooter · 04-04-2005, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

...

Surprisingly lucid actually.

richlevy · 04-04-2005, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

You are in the hospital, you are killed.

<pre>
You are a vegetable You are conscious
+-------------------------+--------------------+
|1 |2 |
You said you wanted to live | Murder | Murder |
| | |
+-------------------------+--------------------+
|3 |4 |
You said you wanted to die | ??? | Murder* |
| | |
+-------------------------+--------------------+
</pre>

I guess it depends on what you call case #4. If you call it assisted suicide then I guess case #3 is not murder.

Legally, according to the law I just posted, it is not. A hospital can pull the plug on a patient after 10 days if the patients fall into certain categories. Courts can intervene, but the law gives the presumption of termination rights to the hospital unless the guardian can find someplace else to take the patient. This basically means prove to another hospital that the patient can be financially supported and that they won't be left holding the bag.

You can call it murder. You can also call buckets of fried chicken and real fur murder, but in the eyes of the law, it is not.

Example - The Ten Commandments say 'Thou Shalt Not Kill', and yet we have killing in spite of the Ten Commandments and even killing in support of the Ten Commandments.

OnyxCougar · 04-07-2005, 10:56 AM

What is this new thing I'm hearing about an email that's screwing up the Republican party?

wolf · 04-07-2005, 10:59 AM

I haven't gotten it yet. At least I don't think so. Maybe my spam folder ate it.

OnyxCougar · 04-07-2005, 11:11 AM

They have CNN on here at work, and interspersed with the Pope stuff I'm reading the closed captioning about an email that is messing up the republican party and a staffers been fired...

nothing on the website yet tho

Happy Monkey · 04-07-2005, 11:46 AM

If it's what I think it is, it's that memo about how Terri Shiavo is a godsend for the Republicans, and can be used to punish some Florida congressman. The original memo got a small burst of press, and dropped off the radar in the media, but conservative bloggers started trying to prove it was a forgery, and a few pundits and Republican congressmen started saying the same thing publically. Yesterday, a Republican staffer admitted writing it.

Troubleshooter · 04-07-2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

If it's what I think it is, it's that memo about how Terri Shiavo is a godsend for the Republicans, and can be used to punish some Florida congressman. The original memo got a small burst of press, and dropped off the radar in the media, but conservative bloggers started trying to prove it was a forgery, and a few pundits and Republican congressmen started saying the same thing publically. Yesterday, a Republican staffer admitted writing it.

Ouch.

Sweet.

wolf · 04-07-2005, 01:26 PM

I just got this in my email ...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilit...51&R=C4E51E1D9

Undertoad · 04-07-2005, 01:43 PM

That's the "before" picture. The "after" will be quite different.

BigV · 04-07-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

I just got this in my email ...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilit...51&R=C4E51E1D9

and now this...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7411079/

BigV · 04-07-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

That's the "before" picture. The "after" will be quite different.

I don't understand, could you please explain?

Thanks.

04-04-2005, 05:47 AM	#304
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	I suppose the difference for me is this: If you said you wanted to live and they couldn't keep you alive: death by (whatever killed you) If you said you wanted to live and they wouldn't keep you alive (but they could have): murder If you said you wanted to die and they DNR - death by (whatever killed you) If you said you wanted to live and they keep you on machines: following your wishes. If you said you wanted to die and they keep you on machines: illegal Does that make sense to anybody but me? __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

04-07-2005, 10:56 AM	#307
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	What is this new thing I'm hearing about an email that's screwing up the Republican party? __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

04-07-2005, 10:59 AM	#308
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I haven't gotten it yet. At least I don't think so. Maybe my spam folder ate it. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-07-2005, 11:11 AM	#309
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	They have CNN on here at work, and interspersed with the Pope stuff I'm reading the closed captioning about an email that is messing up the republican party and a staffers been fired... nothing on the website yet tho __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt Last edited by OnyxCougar; 04-07-2005 at 11:16 AM.

04-07-2005, 11:46 AM	#310
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	If it's what I think it is, it's that memo about how Terri Shiavo is a godsend for the Republicans, and can be used to punish some Florida congressman. The original memo got a small burst of press, and dropped off the radar in the media, but conservative bloggers started trying to prove it was a forgery, and a few pundits and Republican congressmen started saying the same thing publically. Yesterday, a Republican staffer admitted writing it. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

04-03-2005, 07:41 PM	#303
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	You are in the hospital, you are killed. <pre> You are a vegetable You are conscious +-------------------------+--------------------+ \|1 \|2 \| You said you wanted to live \| Murder \| Murder \| \| \| \| +-------------------------+--------------------+ \|3 \|4 \| You said you wanted to die \| ??? \| Murder* \| \| \| \| +-------------------------+--------------------+ </pre> I guess it depends on what you call case #4. If you call it assisted suicide then I guess case #3 is not murder.

04-07-2005, 01:26 PM	#312
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I just got this in my email ... http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilit...51&R=C4E51E1D9 __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-07-2005, 01:43 PM	#313
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	That's the "before" picture. The "after" will be quite different.

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