Will the Second Amendment survive? - Page 21

Griff · 12-23-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

...the eastern-seaboard Americans would no doubt have called him a cowboy, as a couple of American Presidents have been termed since. And for the same reasons, too.

Please don't turn this into a defense of imperialism thread. Radar (presumably) and I prefer to agree with you during the holiday season.

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Originally Posted by iceman

Am just wishing to say, not to be rude like, if the 2nd Amndmt. gives the right to bear arms ... trained Militia ... you don't really need it since your Government provides all your protection for you.

Acknowleges would be the proper word. We've had the fight here the last couple weeks about where rights come from but among the founding fathers there was no such squabble.

icileparadise · 12-23-2007, 06:48 PM

Amen Griff. I agree. And UG that is a whole lot of info I did not know. I get your point. thank you both.

icileparadise · 12-23-2007, 07:02 PM

By the way, what impact did Benedict Arnold have on the American People at that time? And what was his story? Just fascinated to know? Anyone...

TheMercenary · 12-23-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by icileparadise

By the way, what impact did Benedict Arnold have on the American People at that time? And what was his story? Just fascinated to know? Anyone...

He worked for us, got pissed on, got pissed off, defected to the Brits, retired to London, failed as a businessman and died poor. I would guess karma killed him fittingly.

http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/served/arnold.html

icileparadise · 12-25-2007, 07:49 PM

[quote=TheMercenary;418960]He worked for us, got pissed on, got pissed off, defected to the Brits, retired to London, failed as a businessman and died poor. I would guess karma killed him fittingly.

Fuck him. Politics ruled then as today. This shit happens every day. And we keep paying. The 2nd Ammndmnt. is fine as it is - untill a new law comes into force. Then we will abide by it.

Clodfobble · 12-25-2007, 08:56 PM

"We?"

icileparadise · 12-29-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

"We?"

Sustained, Ahem, you're right Clod, I meant the royale "we".

xoxoxoBruce · 12-29-2007, 05:27 PM

The second amendment came about because Americans rejected the royale we.... any royale we.... all royale we's.

Ibby · 01-01-2008, 08:57 PM

I loathe the NRA, but this time I agree with them. Taking the guns was just plain wrong.

TheMercenary · 01-01-2008, 09:06 PM

A little late but people are on the issue never the less...

N.O. Police Returning Guns Confiscated Post-Katrina
Wednesday, April 19, 2006

NEW ORLEANS — Under pressure from the National Rifle Association, police this week began returning guns confiscated after Hurricane Katrina.

The police department is making the guns available three days a week. At the close of the second day Wednesday, police said only 17 of about 700 weapons had been returned.

Police and soldiers removed guns from houses after the storm flooded the city, and they confiscated guns from some evacuees.

The NRA and other groups sued the city, saying it took away people's means of protection amid the lawlessness that gripped New Orleans.

"Natural disasters may destroy great cities, but they do not destroy civil rights," said Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation, which joined the NRA in the lawsuit.

The lawsuit was dropped after the city agreed to return the guns.

Some owners complained it was difficult to get them back. Gun owners must bring a bill of sale or an affidavit with the weapon's serial number. Police also are running criminal background checks on those claiming weapons.

Some gun owners found the weapons were evidence in a crime and not eligible for release. Others did not have the proper paperwork.

Percy Taplet, 73, said the National Guard and state police confiscated his shotgun when they arrived to tell him to leave his house. When he tried to get his gun back this week, police told him he would have to contact state police.

"I won't ever see that gun again, believe me," Taplet said. "It's gone like everything else in that storm."

Police Superintendent Warren Riley said police had legitimate reasons for confiscating weapons.

"We took guns that were stolen that were stashed in alleyways. If we went into an abandoned house and a gun was there, absolutely we took the weapons," he said. "Obviously there were looters out there. We didn't want some burglar or looter to have an opportunity to arm themselves."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192347,00.html

Ibby · 01-01-2008, 09:28 PM

They do have a point. Taking a gun from an abandoned house, while slightly ethically dubious (invasion of privacy/space), is a fairly reasonable disaster response. However, taking guns from people who are actually present or with the weapon, wrong.

TheMercenary · 01-01-2008, 09:30 PM

Yea, we call that "covering one's ass in the press". I would have come up with some lame excuse as well if I were the Police Chief about to have my ass handed to me in a lawsuit I know I would never win. Most cops I have met completely support the legal civilian ownership of guns and CCW permit holders.

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-02-2008, 04:50 PM

I cannot "loathe the NRA" because I've been getting better informed about what they actually do, and because they are an antigenocide NGO in the way absolutely no other non-gun group can be. This is both the NRA, singular, and its political wing, the NRA-ILA.

Also we NRA'ers inconvenience tyrants.

So what's not to like?

Radar · 01-03-2008, 12:02 AM

I can't stand the NRA. They are hypocrites and liars. They consider themselves part of the Republican party. They will support a Republican candidate who favors gun control over a Libertarian candidate who opposes any kind of gun control. They are actually very rude to LP candidates. They aren't much of a real inconvenience to tyrants. At least not as much as the JPFO. I love these guys and I'm not even Jewish and nobody knows more about the genocide that occurs through gun control like the Jews.

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-04-2008, 03:02 PM

I'm very fond of the JPFO myself -- but then, I'm the sort who seeks allies and coalitions in political doings, and whatever your other virtues, Radar, you most definitely aren't. (An observation, from me to you, that you will completely yet unwisely ignore: that isn't politic.)

I've noticed NRA-ILA doesn't endorse LP candidates much, and the reasons are clear: one, NRA-ILA likes to maintain good credibility among the electorate, so they endorse the people they think are the likely winners among those pols they like. And face it: Libertarian Party candidates are so uniformly and emphatically pro-gun that NRA-ILA has to spend precisely zero effort influencing either the candidate or his supporting activists on gun rights and policy. So, yeah, taken for granted -- with complete justice. And the NRA lobbyist will drop by after you've won office, all right?

The JPFO, whose arguments for assault rifles as preventers of genocide totally blow their opponents out of the water, reducing to a smoking hole any "Theory of the Evil Gun Type." Good for them!

12-29-2007, 05:27 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The second amendment came about because Americans rejected the royale we.... any royale we.... all royale we's. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-01-2008, 08:57 PM	#9
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I loathe the NRA, but this time I agree with them. Taking the guns was just plain wrong. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-01-2008, 09:06 PM	#10
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	A little late but people are on the issue never the less... N.O. Police Returning Guns Confiscated Post-Katrina Wednesday, April 19, 2006 NEW ORLEANS — Under pressure from the National Rifle Association, police this week began returning guns confiscated after Hurricane Katrina. The police department is making the guns available three days a week. At the close of the second day Wednesday, police said only 17 of about 700 weapons had been returned. Police and soldiers removed guns from houses after the storm flooded the city, and they confiscated guns from some evacuees. The NRA and other groups sued the city, saying it took away people's means of protection amid the lawlessness that gripped New Orleans. "Natural disasters may destroy great cities, but they do not destroy civil rights," said Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation, which joined the NRA in the lawsuit. The lawsuit was dropped after the city agreed to return the guns. Some owners complained it was difficult to get them back. Gun owners must bring a bill of sale or an affidavit with the weapon's serial number. Police also are running criminal background checks on those claiming weapons. Some gun owners found the weapons were evidence in a crime and not eligible for release. Others did not have the proper paperwork. Percy Taplet, 73, said the National Guard and state police confiscated his shotgun when they arrived to tell him to leave his house. When he tried to get his gun back this week, police told him he would have to contact state police. "I won't ever see that gun again, believe me," Taplet said. "It's gone like everything else in that storm." Police Superintendent Warren Riley said police had legitimate reasons for confiscating weapons. "We took guns that were stolen that were stashed in alleyways. If we went into an abandoned house and a gun was there, absolutely we took the weapons," he said. "Obviously there were looters out there. We didn't want some burglar or looter to have an opportunity to arm themselves." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192347,00.html __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-01-2008, 09:28 PM	#11
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	They do have a point. Taking a gun from an abandoned house, while slightly ethically dubious (invasion of privacy/space), is a fairly reasonable disaster response. However, taking guns from people who are actually present or with the weapon, wrong. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-01-2008, 09:30 PM	#12
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Yea, we call that "covering one's ass in the press". I would have come up with some lame excuse as well if I were the Police Chief about to have my ass handed to me in a lawsuit I know I would never win. Most cops I have met completely support the legal civilian ownership of guns and CCW permit holders. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

12-23-2007, 06:48 PM	#2
icileparadise Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Swiss Mountains Posts: 96	Amen Griff. I agree. And UG that is a whole lot of info I did not know. I get your point. thank you both.

12-23-2007, 07:02 PM	#3
icileparadise Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Swiss Mountains Posts: 96	By the way, what impact did Benedict Arnold have on the American People at that time? And what was his story? Just fascinated to know? Anyone...

12-25-2007, 07:49 PM	#5
icileparadise Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Swiss Mountains Posts: 96	[quote=TheMercenary;418960]He worked for us, got pissed on, got pissed off, defected to the Brits, retired to London, failed as a businessman and died poor. I would guess karma killed him fittingly. Fuck him. Politics ruled then as today. This shit happens every day. And we keep paying. The 2nd Ammndmnt. is fine as it is - untill a new law comes into force. Then we will abide by it.

12-25-2007, 08:56 PM	#6
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	"We?"

01-02-2008, 04:50 PM	#13
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I cannot "loathe the NRA" because I've been getting better informed about what they actually do, and because they are an antigenocide NGO in the way absolutely no other non-gun group can be. This is both the NRA, singular, and its political wing, the NRA-ILA. Also we NRA'ers inconvenience tyrants. So what's not to like? __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-03-2008, 12:02 AM	#14
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	I can't stand the NRA. They are hypocrites and liars. They consider themselves part of the Republican party. They will support a Republican candidate who favors gun control over a Libertarian candidate who opposes any kind of gun control. They are actually very rude to LP candidates. They aren't much of a real inconvenience to tyrants. At least not as much as the JPFO. I love these guys and I'm not even Jewish and nobody knows more about the genocide that occurs through gun control like the Jews. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

01-04-2008, 03:02 PM	#15
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I'm very fond of the JPFO myself -- but then, I'm the sort who seeks allies and coalitions in political doings, and whatever your other virtues, Radar, you most definitely aren't. (An observation, from me to you, that you will completely yet unwisely ignore: that isn't politic.) I've noticed NRA-ILA doesn't endorse LP candidates much, and the reasons are clear: one, NRA-ILA likes to maintain good credibility among the electorate, so they endorse the people they think are the likely winners among those pols they like. And face it: Libertarian Party candidates are so uniformly and emphatically pro-gun that NRA-ILA has to spend precisely zero effort influencing either the candidate or his supporting activists on gun rights and policy. So, yeah, taken for granted -- with complete justice. And the NRA lobbyist will drop by after you've won office, all right? The JPFO, whose arguments for assault rifles as preventers of genocide totally blow their opponents out of the water, reducing to a smoking hole any "Theory of the Evil Gun Type." Good for them! __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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