AIG - Page 20

xoxoxoBruce · 03-25-2009, 02:09 PM

Jake DeSantis is angry because he and his cow orkers are being punished when they were not the ones that caused AIG's demise. I'm not so sure the people in the unemployment lines will have much pity for Jake DeSantis, as I doubt many of them feel they are the cause of their former employers problems. When the ship goes down, everybody gets wet.

sugarpop · 03-26-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Jake DeSantis is angry because he and his cow orkers are being punished when they were not the ones that caused AIG's demise. I'm not so sure the people in the unemployment lines will have much pity for Jake DeSantis, as I doubt many of them feel they are the cause of their former employers problems. When the ship goes down, everybody gets wet.

What's a cow orker?

TGRR · 03-26-2009, 08:26 PM

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What's a cow orker?

It's a Dilbert term, meaning the office grazers you are forced to work with.

Pie · 03-25-2009, 02:35 PM

So now the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater. Brilliant!

TGRR · 03-25-2009, 08:03 PM

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So now the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater. Brilliant!

No big loss.

classicman · 03-25-2009, 02:38 PM

I wonder if all this outrage would have been as bad if the term used was "retention payment" instead of bonus." Would the public perception have been any different?

lookout123 · 03-25-2009, 03:30 PM

I seriously doubt DeSantis will land in an unemployment line but I hear what you are saying Bruce. From my perspective he doesn't sound angry at being punished for AIG's demise. THe company was to be split up and sold off - he and others stayed on to do that. Retention bonuses are the only way to get people to stick around and do the work when they know the end is near and their peers are out grabbing jobs. I think he is angry because he did his job expecting to get an agreed upon sum of money when the job was finished. Payday rolls around and not only does he hear he shouldn't be paid, he and his colleagues are villified and subject to abuse. I can understand his anger.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-25-2009, 04:39 PM

Political insanity. I completely understand the contracts and how DeSantis and other executives feel but what were they expecting? Every small business in the United States is cutting as many costs as possible and they would expect large businesses to do the same and from a public viewpoint, it doesn't seem that AIG is doing that.

lookout123 · 03-25-2009, 05:57 PM

They eliminated his whole business unit, which was profitable, to cut overall costs and raise money to keep the larger company running. Big companies like that don't have all their executives sitting in one building making decisions together. Top executives in one business unit may never even meet execs from another.

The bonuses became a political tool. He and his colleagues are pissed they are catching the shit for something they had nothing to do with.

ZenGum · 03-25-2009, 07:45 PM

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They eliminated his whole business unit, which was profitable, to cut overall costs and raise money to keep the larger company running.

Maybe I am naive, but if I was running a struggling business, I would keep the profitable units and close down the unprofitable ones.
I just don't "get" business, sometimes.

TGRR · 03-25-2009, 08:02 PM

Fuck DeSantis. The little bitch quits because he got his feelings hurt?

lookout123 · 03-25-2009, 10:23 PM

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Maybe I am naive, but if I was running a struggling business, I would keep the profitable units and close down the unprofitable ones.
I just don't "get" business, sometimes.

They are an insurance company which means they must maintain a hefty cash reserve ratio. When things went down the shitter they had to raise capital quickly. Which do you think would be easier to get good value from, profitable business unit or one overflowing with toxic assets?

I'm not saying it makes sense but that is the way it is sometimes.

PH, the only difference between DeSantis and your neighbor is that you know your neighbor and he doesn't happen to be a much maligned industry at the moment. They're still two people trying to do their job regardless of their salary structure.

TGRR... let me guess, you've gone through life talking a lot shit but accomplishing little, right?

TGRR · 03-26-2009, 07:13 PM

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TGRR... let me guess, you've gone through life talking a lot shit but accomplishing little, right?

No, actually, I've done quite nicely for myself.

Let me guess, you're one of those Starbucks Libertarians that sits in the cafe by the college, ranting about "personal responsibility" while you swill lattes paid for with daddy's credit card, right?

lookout123 · 03-26-2009, 10:58 PM

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No, actually, I've done quite nicely for myself.

Let me guess, you're one of those Starbucks Libertarians that sits in the cafe by the college, ranting about "personal responsibility" while you swill lattes paid for with daddy's credit card, right?

Hey it's not polite to look up someone's IP and find their real identity. I'm telling my dad.

sugarpop · 03-26-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

They are an insurance company which means they must maintain a hefty cash reserve ratio. When things went down the shitter they had to raise capital quickly. Which do you think would be easier to get good value from, profitable business unit or one overflowing with toxic assets?

My understanding is the particular division that caused all the trouble was so complicated, and the contracts were so convoluted, they had to "unwind" those contracts, and they apparently needed people who understood them to stick around to do. I didn't realize they eliminated healthy parts of the company though in order to do that.

As I said before, this could have been avoided if the company had just agreed to pay them the bonuses AFTER they paid back the taxpayers. It isn't right for that burden to fall on taxpayers, when they are themselves losing jobs and having to take cuts in pay, etc.

03-25-2009, 02:09 PM	#1
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Jake DeSantis is angry because he and his cow orkers are being punished when they were not the ones that caused AIG's demise. I'm not so sure the people in the unemployment lines will have much pity for Jake DeSantis, as I doubt many of them feel they are the cause of their former employers problems. When the ship goes down, everybody gets wet. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-25-2009, 02:35 PM	#4
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	So now the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater. Brilliant! __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

03-25-2009, 02:38 PM	#6
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I wonder if all this outrage would have been as bad if the term used was "retention payment" instead of bonus." Would the public perception have been any different? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

03-25-2009, 03:30 PM	#7
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	I seriously doubt DeSantis will land in an unemployment line but I hear what you are saying Bruce. From my perspective he doesn't sound angry at being punished for AIG's demise. THe company was to be split up and sold off - he and others stayed on to do that. Retention bonuses are the only way to get people to stick around and do the work when they know the end is near and their peers are out grabbing jobs. I think he is angry because he did his job expecting to get an agreed upon sum of money when the job was finished. Payday rolls around and not only does he hear he shouldn't be paid, he and his colleagues are villified and subject to abuse. I can understand his anger. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-25-2009, 04:39 PM	#8
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Political insanity. I completely understand the contracts and how DeSantis and other executives feel but what were they expecting? Every small business in the United States is cutting as many costs as possible and they would expect large businesses to do the same and from a public viewpoint, it doesn't seem that AIG is doing that. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

03-25-2009, 05:57 PM	#9
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	They eliminated his whole business unit, which was profitable, to cut overall costs and raise money to keep the larger company running. Big companies like that don't have all their executives sitting in one building making decisions together. Top executives in one business unit may never even meet execs from another. The bonuses became a political tool. He and his colleagues are pissed they are catching the shit for something they had nothing to do with. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-25-2009, 08:02 PM	#11
TGRR Horrible Bastard Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: High Desert, Arizona Posts: 1,103	Fuck DeSantis. The little bitch quits because he got his feelings hurt? __________________ What can we do to help you stop screaming?

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