Yes I do shop at Wal-Mart

[richlevy]

What I resent is the givebacks and incentives that local politcians give to Wal-Mart. For a supposedly free market economy, these stores seem to negotiate some sweetheart deals.

If it makes economic sense to open a Wal-Mart somewhere, just do it. Be prepared to pay the taxes it will take to support the fire department as well as the police department that will have to respond to two or three calls every day for traffic, shoplifting, vandalism, etc.

It's not because I hate Wal-Mart, but because I don't want my elected official to be dumb enough to sign me up for a bad deal by giving tax breaks that would not have been given to the ten smaller stores that could have gone into the same space in exchange for low-paying jobs which might not be even filled by local taxpayers and increased traffic and demand on fire and police.

[wolf]

I've gone over to the dark side. Their crafts section is much better than the Joann's Fabrics and Crafts which is closer to my home (for major brand yarns and stuff. Specialty (i.e., expensive, imported real wool yarn) is really only available through tiny little specialty shops that are few and far between and I do still go to.

Where I live, a place called Hobby Lobby is located next door to the Walmart. Their selection of craft items is better, and again, I watch for the sales when their prices drop below those of Walmart. Real wool is very expensive. I will sometimes buy it down on the res where its much cheaper than anywhere else. The Navajo make some fantastic wool yarn! Only a 2,000 mile drive for you, Wolf, and worth every foot of it!

[Radar]

Originally Posted by fargon

My wife and I do shop at wal mart. Its not because we are unfeeling conservitives, and bush lovers. It is because the low prices are very helpful to us. I am a disabled Vet. and my Wife has a good full time job. But we cannot afford to spend the money at the specility stores charge. Just a thought iff you hate wal mart that much, just dont go there.
Thank You Terry L. Bell
PS: We are Conservitives, and we do like Presedent Bush

I could care less where you shop. Wal-Mart is just as good as any other place. I'm more offended that you're a Bush supporter. Even most Republicans are disgusted by this jackass. He's violated the U.S. Constitution more than all previous presidents combined. Recently he said, 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper"

It's nice to see that you spell as well as Bush handles foreign policy (or domestic policy, or anything else for that matter). It only goes to show the average intellect of a Bush supporter....or a piece of toast. They're about equal.

[fargon]

Originally Posted by Radar

I could care less where you shop. Wal-Mart is just as good as any other place. I'm more offended that you're a Bush supporter. Even most Republicans are disgusted by this jackass. He's violated the U.S. Constitution more than all previous presidents combined. Recently he said, 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper"

It's nice to see that you spell as well as Bush handles foreign policy (or domestic policy, or anything else for that matter). It only goes to show the average intellect of a Bush supporter....or a piece of toast. They're about equal.

There are all kinds of people in this world and not all of them are going to agree. What matters is how they communicate their differences. Everything about your post leads me to believe you are a very mean spirited person, and nothing about your post is going to make me change my mind about who I support politically. I would consider a well thought out and intellectual argument, but not this assinine ad hominem approach. Manners seem to be a lost art among your kind.

Mrs Fargon

[Beestie]

Not if, but when.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by fargon

There are all kinds of people in this world and not all of them are going to agree. What matters is how they communicate their differences. Everything about your post leads me to believe you are a very mean spirited person, and nothing about your post is going to make me change my mind about who I support politically. I would consider a well thought out and intellectual argument, but not this assinine ad hominem approach. Manners seem to be a lost art among your kind.

Mrs Fargon

Nicely said.

[glatt]

I skimmed Radar's tirad from the other night, so I didn't notice at first his quote of Bush saying the Constitution is just a "goddamned piece of paper." I wouldn't put it past Bush to think such a thing, but I am very surprised to see a report that he said it out loud.

So I did a Google search of the phrase. There is a fair amount of discussion of this quote, but no mainstream press, has picked up the story. Doug Thopmpson, quoted Bush as saying "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” Thompson claims to have three anonymous GOP witnesses from the meeting discussing the Patriot Act renewal where Bush said this.

Thompson is a historically big critic of Bush, so you might not trust him, but he is also a critic of other politicians of all flavors too. In my quick internet search, he seems to be a pretty well respected journalist.

If Bush actually said this, it's HUGE news. Impeachable news. He swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, and he actually says he doesn't even believe in it!

I'd like to see Thompson name his sources, and I'd like to hear those three witnesses tell their story on the record. I wonder if the mainstream media is trying to get confirmation of this story? They are not even acknowledging it.

[Happy Monkey]

Capitol Hill Blue is a suspect source. More corroboration is definitely necessary.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Capitol Hill Blue is a suspect source. More corroboration is definitely necessary.

While I definitely don't like the current resident of the White House, I also would need a lot more corroboration before I could believe that story.

If it were true, then I'd have a lot to say. I signed up for the National Constitution center on the weekend they opened. I'd have signed up on the day they opened if I could have.

Noone who has taken that oath can say those words, ever, under any circumstances. No excuses accepted.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Noone who has taken that oath can say those words, ever, under any circumstances. No excuses accepted.

Oath? Oh, I see.....politicians, having completed the campaign and election, suddenly stop lying.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Oath? Oh, I see.....politicians, having completed the campaign and election, suddenly stop lying.

Politicians don't get elected by telling the truth. Problem lies here among us. To paraphrase a Jack Nicholson character, we can't handle the truth. We like to hear lies such as Saddam has WMDs. When people tell us the truth, we tend to vote against them. Among many, reality is too complex - such as why Saddam created fiction that he had WMDs.

Public generally wants sound bytes. That means they prefer lies from Oliver North rather than listen to realities - such as Oliver North saw to it that Marines in Beruit did not even have loaded guns. How many remember why 200+ Marines died in Beriut? Oh. That is too complex - why the guards had no loaded guns to protect that Marine barracks. Better to believe politician propaganda. Better to view everything in terms of black and white. Then we elect people who are better at lying. As a people, we like being lied to. It is why we vote for them.

[fargon]

Originally Posted by tw

Politicians don't get elected by telling the truth. Problem lies here among us. To paraphrase a Jack Nicholson character, we can't handle the truth. We like to hear lies such as Saddam has WMDs. When people tell us the truth, we tend to vote against them. Among many, reality is too complex - such as why Saddam created fiction that he had WMDs.

Public generally wants sound bytes. That means they prefer lies from Oliver North rather than listen to realities - such as Oliver North saw to it that Marines in Beruit did not even have loaded guns. How many remember why 200+ Marines died in Beriut? Oh. That is too complex - why the guards had no loaded guns to protect that Marine barracks. Better to believe politician propaganda. Better to view everything in terms of black and white. Then we elect people who are better at lying. As a people, we like being lied to. It is why we vote for them.

Just in case you're interested LtCol North lost his Senate bid and hasn't Run for any thing since.

[fargon]

I want to here a lie from LtCol North, with outside corroboration.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by fargon

I want to here a lie from LtCol North, with outside corroboration.

Doesn't he have a radio show? You can hear him all the time! And I'm sure Limbaugh will corroborate anything North says.