The after-effects of a disaster - Page 2

09-09-2005, 07:07 PM

I wonder how many of those folks are suffering from PTSD? They went through literally hell for 6 days and are now displaced refugees. I have a friend who is black and her husband is in the military with orders for Iraq on October 22nd. She said to me, "Hell, yes, I'm playing the "race card" only its not a game. Facts are facts. The majority of people we saw on TV were poor black folks. I saw on TV where they called black people getting food from a store as looting, then later on they showed white folks doing the same thing and called it "finding" food. I wonder what my husband is going to Iraq to fight for, I really do."

Can't say as I blame her for feeling as she does.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-09-2005, 07:18 PM

This link is to almost 200 photos by an employee of a French Quarter hotel in New Orleans. They are captioned to tell his story of the storm and how the city went to hell but not until a couple days after the storm passed. Very interesting.

wolf · 09-10-2005, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marichiko

I wonder how many of those folks are suffering from PTSD?

I'll let you know in six months to a year.

Other than the ones that had PTSD before the storm hit, of course.

Troubleshooter · 09-12-2005, 08:59 AM

Let's not force these people to believe they have a condition now.

Some will have problems and some won't, but if you start telling them that they are having problems when they don't then you aren't doing them any good.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-12-2005, 06:48 PM

Agreed, there is a percentage of the population that can be talked into neurosis.

wolf · 09-14-2005, 02:20 AM

I got word today that we now have a tentative deployment date for going down South. Folks are still being picked from the available pool, so I'm not sure if I'm going to be going for this activation, or one in the future. I'll likely know more after the team meets tonight.

I do know that one of the likely people to go does not like to fly (the last time she got on a plane it landed in Iraq for Desert Storm), but it may only be commercial flights she doesn't like.

Plthijnx ... Hypothetically, if one were to charter a plane to pick 4-6 people up outside of Philadelphia, say here to be flown down to Baton Rouge, Louisiana, with a return trip 72 hours later ... how much might that end up costing? (just to compare against the cost of purchase of tickets on a commercial carrier without being able to book significantly in advance, and probably not staying over a weekend).

We're hoping for reimbursment, but not counting on it.

Troubleshooter · 09-14-2005, 08:56 AM

Let me know if any of you make it into the area and I'll try to see about habitation arrangements.

They can be a bit problematic right now.

wolf · 09-14-2005, 11:21 AM

That's what I hear ... the last notice we got said something about "sleeping on bedrolls" "portapotties" and "MREs".

Troubleshooter · 09-14-2005, 11:32 AM

I live about an hour outside of Baton Rouge so something may be do-able.

wolf · 09-14-2005, 11:34 AM

Wow! That is so cool!!

Troubleshooter · 09-14-2005, 11:36 AM

How many people are we talking about?

wolf · 09-14-2005, 11:46 AM

4-6. I don't have exact dates or numbers yet. We are having a meeting tonight that hopefully will clarify some of this. They may have better accommodations by the time we get there, which should be in about a week and a half.

Troubleshooter · 09-14-2005, 12:15 PM

Just let me know when it starts to look like a probability and we'll see what crops up.

Clodfobble · 09-14-2005, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf

...(the last time she got on a plane it landed in Iraq for Desert Storm)...

Not to be a nit-picking nuisance, but did she take a boat back?

wolf · 09-15-2005, 12:02 AM

She wanted to, but apparently, despite the fact that she was in the Navy, they didn't have any.

I talked to her tonight. She said that on the way TO Kuwait she was sure she was going to die, so the plane ride wasn't as big a deal as it normally would be for her. On the way home, she had a more hopeful outlook. But not about flying. So she took a near overdose of valium.

We came up with a solution.

She's going to be Thelma, I'm going to be Louise.

We're hoping to get a vehicle loaned by a fire company or ambulance service. The train would be an option, but the closest we would be able to get is about 250 miles outside of Baton Rouge.

There are still a lot of unanswered questions about the details, but I am going to take the opportunity to purchase some new BDU pants at the gun show this weekend.

09-09-2005, 07:07 PM	#1
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	I wonder how many of those folks are suffering from PTSD? They went through literally hell for 6 days and are now displaced refugees. I have a friend who is black and her husband is in the military with orders for Iraq on October 22nd. She said to me, "Hell, yes, I'm playing the "race card" only its not a game. Facts are facts. The majority of people we saw on TV were poor black folks. I saw on TV where they called black people getting food from a store as looting, then later on they showed white folks doing the same thing and called it "finding" food. I wonder what my husband is going to Iraq to fight for, I really do." Can't say as I blame her for feeling as she does. Last edited by marichiko; 09-09-2005 at 07:09 PM.

09-09-2005, 07:18 PM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	This link is to almost 200 photos by an employee of a French Quarter hotel in New Orleans. They are captioned to tell his story of the storm and how the city went to hell but not until a couple days after the storm passed. Very interesting. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-12-2005, 08:59 AM	#4
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Let's not force these people to believe they have a condition now. Some will have problems and some won't, but if you start telling them that they are having problems when they don't then you aren't doing them any good. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

09-12-2005, 06:48 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Agreed, there is a percentage of the population that can be talked into neurosis. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-14-2005, 02:20 AM	#6
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I got word today that we now have a tentative deployment date for going down South. Folks are still being picked from the available pool, so I'm not sure if I'm going to be going for this activation, or one in the future. I'll likely know more after the team meets tonight. I do know that one of the likely people to go does not like to fly (the last time she got on a plane it landed in Iraq for Desert Storm), but it may only be commercial flights she doesn't like. Plthijnx ... Hypothetically, if one were to charter a plane to pick 4-6 people up outside of Philadelphia, say here to be flown down to Baton Rouge, Louisiana, with a return trip 72 hours later ... how much might that end up costing? (just to compare against the cost of purchase of tickets on a commercial carrier without being able to book significantly in advance, and probably not staying over a weekend). We're hoping for reimbursment, but not counting on it. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis Last edited by wolf; 09-14-2005 at 02:25 AM.

09-14-2005, 08:56 AM	#7
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Let me know if any of you make it into the area and I'll try to see about habitation arrangements. They can be a bit problematic right now. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

09-14-2005, 11:21 AM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	That's what I hear ... the last notice we got said something about "sleeping on bedrolls" "portapotties" and "MREs". __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

09-14-2005, 11:32 AM	#9
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I live about an hour outside of Baton Rouge so something may be do-able. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

09-14-2005, 11:34 AM	#10
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Wow! That is so cool!! __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

09-14-2005, 11:36 AM	#11
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	How many people are we talking about? __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

09-14-2005, 11:46 AM	#12
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	4-6. I don't have exact dates or numbers yet. We are having a meeting tonight that hopefully will clarify some of this. They may have better accommodations by the time we get there, which should be in about a week and a half. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

09-14-2005, 12:15 PM	#13
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Just let me know when it starts to look like a probability and we'll see what crops up. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

09-15-2005, 12:02 AM	#15
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	She wanted to, but apparently, despite the fact that she was in the Navy, they didn't have any. I talked to her tonight. She said that on the way TO Kuwait she was sure she was going to die, so the plane ride wasn't as big a deal as it normally would be for her. On the way home, she had a more hopeful outlook. But not about flying. So she took a near overdose of valium. We came up with a solution. She's going to be Thelma, I'm going to be Louise. We're hoping to get a vehicle loaned by a fire company or ambulance service. The train would be an option, but the closest we would be able to get is about 250 miles outside of Baton Rouge. There are still a lot of unanswered questions about the details, but I am going to take the opportunity to purchase some new BDU pants at the gun show this weekend. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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