Illegal Immigrants Are Killing Us

[NICOTINEGUN]

Originally Posted by Radar

Nicotinegun is clearly a jingoistic, nationalistic, moron who is woefully lacking in education; in particular history.

America was built by immigrants. Unless he's 100% American Indian, the only difference between his family and illegal Mexican immigrants is the accent with which they speak. When European immigrants came to America, all they had to do was show up and they'd be welcomed.

Now we've got a bunch of idiots trying to close the borders, and trying to make it tougher and tougher for someone to come here to work to build a better life for their families.

America has always welcomed immigrants with open arms and always should. It keeps labor and goods reasonably priced. It keeps competition high. And it makes sure the best and brightest from all over the world come here to put America on top.

A Mexican coming here is just as American as anyone born here, if not moreso. He CHOSE to come here, and did something about it. He isn't American by accident of birth. He worked hard to make it happen. The best Mexicans in the world are in America. The best Europeans in the world are in America. The best black people in the world are in America. We've got the strongest, fastest, and smartest people on earth because we welcome everyone.

Only a fool with no understanding of freedom would be against allowing an unlimited number of immigrants to come to America. But then again, only a fool with no concept of freedom would take part in the war in Iraq. In fact only a traitor who has violated his oath would follow the wholly unlawful order to invade Iraq. Only a coward who was afraid to go to the brig would comply.

The answer isn't to close off our borders. The answer is to remove each and every single unconstitutional social program like medicare, social security, welfare, public schools, etc. so there is no incentive for people to come here seeking handouts. Only to seek opportunity so they'd be contributing and not leeching.

Radar, I am willing to make a significant wager I, not only have more education than you, but also a better quality education than you do. While earning my education at my universities, I was always given the impression that the more education one earns, the less one would have to call others names. How's the online GED coming along, Sport?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by NICOTINEGUN

Radar, I am willing to make a significant wager I, not only have more education than you, but also a better quality education than you do. While earning my education at my universities, I was always given the impression that the more education one earns, the less one would have to call others names. How's the online GED coming along, Sport?

You'd lose that bet buddy. Not in your wettest dream do you have either a better education, or more education. In fact, you're pretty fucking stupid, and judging from your laughable posts, you're education is below 3rd grade level.

[NICOTINEGUN]

Originally Posted by Radar

You'd lose that bet buddy. Not in your wettest dream do you have either a better education, or more education. In fact, you're pretty fucking stupid, and judging from your laughable posts, you're education is below 3rd grade level.

Ahhh, Radar. I remember when I used to rant and rave like that. It's funny you mentioned third grade because that is when I spoke like you do now. Ahh, youth truly is wasted on the young. Thank you, Radar. You make me remember why I want to be a better person. You run off now and hit the books, Little Trooper. Maybe we can work on penmanship tomorrow.

[tw]

Originally Posted by too many posters

I remember when I used to rant and rave like that.

Cut the useless insults, guys. It only proves we need more illegal immigrants and should start deporting American citizens.

[wolf]

Welcome to the Cellar, Nicotinegun.

There is a difference, Radar, between welcoming immigrants who come in through the front door for the purpose of bettering themselves, producing, contributing, and, oh yeah, learning English and the folks who are sneaking across the border, working under the table, and sending their kids to school that they aren't paying for, receiving medical care that they aren't paying for, etc. etc.

I don't know the source of the numbers, but some poll taken in Mexico indicated that HALF their population wanted to come to the US, and 20% were willing to come illegally. The question that raised for me was not "What's so great about America?" but "How do you fix what's broken in Mexico?"

Originally Posted by wolf

Welcome to the Cellar, Nicotinegun.

There is a difference, Radar, between welcoming immigrants who come in through the front door for the purpose of bettering themselves, producing, contributing, and, oh yeah, learning English and the folks who are sneaking across the border, working under the table, and sending their kids to school that they aren't paying for, receiving medical care that they aren't paying for, etc. etc.

The magic words are "working under the table," Wolf. American citizens are hiring illegal immigrants illegally. If Americans hired only legal workers and took deductions out of their wages for taxes, the illegals would be legal and they wouldn't be getting the "free ride" they are now. The story is not as simple as the evil Mexican, desperate for work. What's so wrong with wanting to work, anyhow? I think the employers that pay under the table are more at fault than the workers.

[Radar]

As I said, the solution isn't to restrict immigration. It's to end all the social programs, medical care, etc. Also, Spanish has been spoken in America far longer than English and on a continual basis. I am for getting rid of public schools.

English is the language of business in America, and those who fail to learn it, won't do well in business.

[Cyclefrance]

Well this has totally buggered up my holiday plans. It was going to be a choice between Mexico and New Orleans. Now I 'm not sure if I should go to Mexico, as I would then be supporting the Mexicans who are more interested in poaching from the US economy than improving their own, nor for that matter if I should go to the US because I will most probably be encouraging more illegals by supporting the tourist industry where I would expect a lot of them find work. What a dilemma! - sounds as though it might have to be Cuba instead!

(If it's any consolation I thought NG was talking about the UK when I first started reading his diatribe - reckon this is a common problem across the western economies)

[Radar]

Think of it this way. If more people in Mexico make money, they'll have less reason to come to America. That's why I buy American cars. I want to keep jobs in Mexico.

[mrnoodle]

Close the borders, but make it easier to become a legal immigrant. If you want to become an American, we should make room for you. If you want to be a [insert country here]-ian, but take advantage of the American welfare system, our infrastructure, our health care, too damn bad. If you ring the doorbell and come in through the front door, you're a guest or a resident. If you crawl in through the window, you're an intruder.

[bluecuracao]

Damn, ignorant crap like this pisses me off. OK, must calm down...must focus...

Those of you who think that illegal immigrants are leeching resources from us, without any return...Do you really think the IRS is that stupid?

There is a special tax ID number with which illegal immigrants can use to pay wage tax and Social Security. It's estimated that they pay in BILLIONS, and they usually do not end up collecting Social Security.

Why would illegal immigrants bother to get an ID number and pay taxes? Well, they are people who have most likely risked everything, including death, to come here and make better lives for themselves and their families. They see getting the special tax ID as a way to put themselves in good graces with the U.S. government.

Yes, some end up not being able to be as productive as they set out to be, and then there are the bad seeds. But for the most part, illegal immigrants have to rely on emergency health services because they work jobs which do not offer health care or allow them to afford health care insurance.

People always seems to forget this:

Originally Posted by Radar

America was built by immigrants. Unless he's 100% American Indian, the only difference between his family and illegal Mexican immigrants is the accent with which they speak. When European immigrants came to America, all they had to do was show up and they'd be welcomed.

My great-grandparents were Mexicans until New Mexico became a state in 1912. My great-grandfather spoke five languages, including Spanish--English was not one of them. Learning a little Spanish is not going to kill anyone, in fact, it will only help, because Spanish is the most widely spoken language in the world.

Aargh!

[Elspode]

If we had to rely on non-Hispanic workers here (of course, they are *all* legal, according to their ID's, which I am not required to be an expert about...their SS #'s are good, anyway), we'd be out of business. As far as I can tell, there aren't 50 qualified white guys in the entire city who even want the jobs we offer (insulation, gutter and fireplace installation).

[NICOTINEGUN]

As far as I can tell, there aren't 50 qualified white guys in the entire city who even want the jobs we offer (insulation, gutter and fireplace installation).[/quote]

Ahh, I knew it wouldn't take long before some doomed fool brought up skin color. We're talking about skin color here, Dear Friend. We're talking about my tax dollars paying for people who weren't born here. Congratulations, by the way. You've earned the first, of many I'm sure, Race Card Alert Notice. You've taken the short cut to thinking by using race as the issue. Tell the good Rev. Sharpton I said hello, will you?

[Elspode]

Ahh, I knew it wouldn't take long before some doomed fool brought up skin color. We're talking about skin color here, Dear Friend. We're talking about my tax dollars paying for people who weren't born here. Congratulations, by the way. You've earned the first, of many I'm sure, Race Card Alert Notice. You've taken the short cut to thinking by using race as the issue. Tell the good Rev. Sharpton I said hello, will you?

How is it irrelevant to point out that, out of fifty field installers at my company, 45 of them are Hispanic? We hire qualified people, and very few qualified Caucasians apply.

You tell *me* why one can never mention race as a factor in any way, shape or form without being labelled racist...unless, of course, one isn't Caucasian, in which case any amount of race card playing is par for the course.

And...be careful whom you label either fool or racist, eh? I'm neither.

[capnhowdy]

Originally Posted by NICOTINEGUN

As far as I can tell, there aren't 50 qualified white guys in the entire city who even want the jobs we offer (insulation, gutter and fireplace installation).

Ahh, I knew it wouldn't take long before some doomed fool brought up skin color. We're talking about skin color here, Dear Friend. We're talking about my tax dollars paying for people who weren't born here. Congratulations, by the way. You've earned the first, of many I'm sure, Race Card Alert Notice. You've taken the short cut to thinking by using race as the issue. Tell the good Rev. Sharpton I said hello, will you?

get a life and quit whining already.
and what the hell is a DOOMED fool........ can you share THAT with me?