Why is everyone so angry? - Page 2

mrnoodle · 08-23-2005, 10:27 AM

That's another thing that I question, though. Are our hardships really as hard as we think they are, or do we simply not have anything REALLY bad to compare them with? By the way, I also know people who have a really hard time coping with illness or bad times -- I wasn't saying all sick people are serene. I was saying that the most serene person you know is one who has successfully dealt with hardship, not one who has never endured it. Sloppy writing.

but marichiko, in disagreeing with me, you emphasize (kind of) my point. What happened to whatever Polynesian tribe in 17XX, and how it proves that white people suck is an abstraction. The fact that you (and I) are thinking in those kind of terms is evidence that our brains don't have nearly enough to do

insofar as our personal survival and well-being is concerned.

I can point to my own family over the last year/s to illustrate. My family is close, as many are. Things that happen to another member hit close to home, and the effects are keenly felt by all.

My baby nephew is going in for surgery Sept. 1 to correct something with his skull. It fused too soon, and has to be broken/cut apart again to allow for growth. That sucks.

My grandmother died because the staff at her nursing home failed to give her heart medicine for 15 days. We had struggled for years to take care of her at home, and only when the situation became unmanageable did we reluctantly allow her to be admitted to that place. That seems unfair.

I just got arrested for DUI at a checkpoint, and will lose my license for a year (it's 15 miles to work) and possibly get a month in jail. My fault, but had some lousy luck involved too (.087 BAC, resulting from 3 1/2 beers and no supper). This is going to put a financial strain not only on me, but on my parents, who are fast losing precious retirement years bailing out their dumbass kid. They deserve better -- particularly since neither of them have ever so much as even touched the stuff. They don't even fudge on their taxes. My dad said, when I told him about the arrest, "Why get a lawyer? You did it, didn't you? Just go take what the judge gives you." They deserve kids who are as straight as they are, but we 3 have broken their hearts countless times over the years with drugs, premarital sex, booze, and money trouble. The other two are married with kids, and living like their parents raised em too. I've still got one or two hanger-on demons, but things generally are looking up.

Dad got prostate cancer, the aftereffects of which are both highly personal and emotionally devastating.

One cousin I grew up with was killed in a car accident in TX. He had been drinking. He was in the process of divorcing his wife, who, upon learning of his death, went to his parents' ranch, entered the son's house and removed all the saddles and buckles he had won in rodeos since childhood. So she could sell them. For drugs. The sheriff was called, but could only stand there because they were still legally married and the stuff was more hers than his parents'. Even though she had only known him for 3 years. She drove off with 25 years' worth of their son's history, flipping them the bird over her shoulder.

The next year, that same guy's grandfather (same ranch), whose health had collapsed after the grandson's death, fell while closing a gate and broke his hip. He was found 4 hours later and taken to the hospital. They needed to perform surgery to fix the hip, but he developed an infection and lost his leg. The infection was not completely removed, however, and soon after, he lost the other leg. Got sick after a stroke, nursing home for a couple years, and he died. A month later, his despondent wife (who lived in the same nursing home) followed suit. The father, who lost his parents and son in the same year, has a look in his eyes that can only be described as worn out.

Another cousin went in for his 2nd kidney transplant two days ago. the first one was rejected 10 years ago, and he's been on dialysis ever since. He's not even 30 yet.

But I ate 3 meals yesterday, slept in my own bed in an air-conditioned house. I came to work this morning, and because I have relative freedom to do whatever I want as long as the articles are in on time, I spent an hour at the Cellar. Tonight we're having a band practice. I made my car payment on time this month, and found the $700 to finish paying off my lawyer (whose brother committed suicide over the weekend -- no shit).

Life could be so much worse. Yet, the sight of someone applying makeup while driving makes me homicidal, even though it makes absolutely no difference to my ETA at work.

I lost my point a long time ago, but it was therapeutic to write about all that shit for some reason.

wolf · 08-23-2005, 10:41 AM

You did it, got caught at the currently in vogue artificially deflated BAL levels ... and are probably, at .007 over, within the error for the field breath test device. Or was that a subsequent blood draw number? And didja know that because they swab your arm with alcohol for the blood draw, there's a miniscule raise in your BAL. Usually something under .01 or .02, but that changes your results enough that you could arguably have been legally under ...

Get the lawyer.

At the very least, plead out and try to keep your license as part of the deal.

melidasaur · 08-23-2005, 10:56 AM

I think that people seem angry because they no longer listen. They already have their canned rants ready and prefer to come across as a jerk. I've seen it on here, I've seen it on TV, I've experienced it in real life...

mrnoodle · 08-23-2005, 11:28 AM

Yeah, I got the lawyer. In CO, unfortunately, what happens with your license and what happens in court are two different things. The DMV oversees license revocations, and they have no power to make judgements on anything but the blood test. If it's over .08, bye bye license, even if you are the grandmother of the governor. No provision for a work license either. The only two things that could conceivably change this outcome are: 1) the alcohol swab thing, 2) the fact that flouride is present on the cap of the vial they keep the blood in, which could cause the blood to ferment and thus invalidate the results if the second test shows a change in BAC, and 3) the arresting officer fails to show for the DMV hearing.

As for the court part, the best result (again, barring a no-show by the arresting officer), is that I can plea down to first-offense status based on the fact that I completed the requirements for a deferred sentence on the first one (no offenses for X years, class, community service). The first one being the time that I was sleeping in my car in my friend's driveway with the keys in the ignition.

Yah, beer is expensive for me.

08-23-2005, 11:43 AM

Sorry to hear about the DUI thing, Mr. Noodle. They ARE very tough on that here in Colorado.

I think your post sort of proves my point, though. No, you're not in danger of being eaten by a saber toothed tiger, but, like many folks, you have a high background level of anxiety going on. Not saying that you do or do NOT do this, but its very easy to take one's frustrations out on the Internet.

Trilby · 08-23-2005, 11:50 AM

MrNoodle--how about telling them that you burped RIGHT BEFORE you blew into the breathalyzer?

And I know this is too late, but:

Don't ever submit to the breathalyzer. Ever.

And, PS I'm not mad. I'm moody.

mrnoodle · 08-23-2005, 12:00 PM

They make it worse for you if you don't. You think they haven't heard, and made adjustments for, every excuse known to man? They bully you from start to finish. Technically, I didn't have to roll down the window of my car and speak to the officer at the checkpoint. But realistically, I would've been in worse trouble by not doing so. I did the tests, including the retarded track-the-pen-with-your-eyes hocus pocus (bright lights in your face, anyone?) I was told that I was going to jail, then they said if I took a blood test, they'd release me on a PR bond at the scene. Right. I already knew that I could blow another breath test at the station instead, but he wouldn't tell me what I blew on the initial test until I had completed the paperwork. I didn't know if an additional breath test would help.

They run you through like a cow at the slaughterhouse, applying shocks and pressure where necessary to get you down the chute. The tactics are designed to keep a truly drunk person off-balance and controllable, but I wasn't drunk. I just knew that they were going to have their way or make it hell on me all the way.

Don't try to tell a cop his job. He sees a dozen armchair constitutional experts a day, and they all go to jail. Better to get in the system without a fight, and give them as many opportunities as possible to screw up, something they excel at.

08-23-2005, 12:28 PM

Yeah, and so much is just luck of the draw, too, Noodle. I was stopped by the cops once on New Year's Eve. I was all dressed up in my finest, complete with a pair of very stylish, very high heeled shoes. Well, the cops had me get out and wanted me to walk a straight line. I flashed my heels at them and said, "You really expect me to walk a straight line on this icy road in THESE?" They conferred with each other for a while, then one of them laughed and came up to me and told me to just go ahead and drive home. Safely of course. Saved by the bell! Or in my case, my high heels. But for the grace of the god of fashion, I could have been in your same predicament!

lookout123 · 08-23-2005, 12:31 PM

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Don't try to tell a cop his job. He sees a dozen armchair constitutional experts a day, and they all go to jail. Better to get in the system without a fight, and give them as many opportunities as possible to screw up, something they excel at.

i disagree. (really? lookout disagrees with something?) seriously though. they may bully and threaten you that it will be worse if you don't do what they ask, but there really isn't anything more they can do to you as long as you aren't belligerent or threatening in your manner.

Ex. 1 = after my experiences i won't use a breathalyzer. about a month ago i was leaving a bar and was pulled over about a block away. the guy was fishing for a DUI by stating he wanted to check the registration on my new truck. he asked if i had been drinking and i told him that i'd had two beers with dinner. he said that i was going to have to do the field sobriety test and a breathalyzer. i told him, very politely, that i refuse to comply but if he likes i would willingly go to the station for a blood sample. he threatened me with all kinds of crap, but in the end he told me to drive safe and sent me on my way.

Ex. 2 = after my experiences i refuse to deal with bike cops without a second officer present because they don't have cameras to record events. When i got pulled over about a year ago by a bike cop she got extremely pissed when i told her i would only open my window a crack, but wouldn't step out of the vehicle until she had a second officer on the scene. she was even more pissed when i told her the reason was that i don't trust single bike cops without a camera on them, but she had to give in and request another officer.

they can't go out of their way to jack with you or beat you with a nightstick just for exercising your rights and asking them to comply with the laws they are hired to enforce. lets face it - with the shortage of qualified LE out there, we aren't dealing with the cream of the crop in many instances.

wolf · 08-23-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

I didn't know if an additional breath test would help.

That can actually go either way ... if enough time passes between tests (1/2 hour or more) AND your liver still works pretty good, and it's a sufficient length of time since you stopped drinking ... your BAC does go down.

I've heard different amounts on that, though, anywhere from .08 (this is what I remember best) to .25/hr. I'm pretty sure the .25 is wrong, because if we send someone with a .25 to the ER s/he is guaranteed to be there for a couple hours before we deem them medically stable enough to bring back in.

mrnoodle · 08-23-2005, 12:48 PM

i learn the coolest things AFTER they won't do me any good any more.

paying cash for time machine, pm me.

lookout123 · 08-23-2005, 01:11 PM

well, how do you think we know some things? we learned them after it was too late for us. nobody is going to be sitting at the bar with you and say, "lishen here mishtrnoo *hic*dle, if you get*hic* pulllled ove' tnight, asshhk fer ablud tesh - ish yer right*hic*" they will invariably sit at the bar the next night and say "know what you *hic* shhhoulda done?"

wolf · 08-23-2005, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

i learn the coolest things AFTER they won't do me any good any more.

paying cash for time machine, pm me.

Is John Titor still around? He'd probably let his go, cheap.

I learned about breathalyzers from an operator standpoint, you know, the side the numbers point towards.

I have never been pulled over for DUI. I am not saying I have or haven't been eligible to have been pulled over for DUI, I'm just saying it hasn't happened.

Learning how to become invisible helps a lot.

lookout123 · 08-23-2005, 01:30 PM

i hear that having all of the local LE well aware that you can outgun them helps as well.

Hobbs · 08-23-2005, 01:41 PM

My wife claims that I have been really grumpy lately, and I have. I don't know why. I grump at the kids, the wife, and the little things that don't matter. I think some people just like being angry. For me, I think it's genetic. My mom's pretty much unhappy, has been all her life. Bitches and complains about everything even if it's a positive thing. Some people like confronation too. They like to argue for some reason.

BTW Lookout, I completely aprove of the use of the word asshat!

I personally like assclown myself, but that's just personal preference. Asshat sounds more...angry.

08-23-2005, 10:27 AM	#1
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	That's another thing that I question, though. Are our hardships really as hard as we think they are, or do we simply not have anything REALLY bad to compare them with? By the way, I also know people who have a really hard time coping with illness or bad times -- I wasn't saying all sick people are serene. I was saying that the most serene person you know is one who has successfully dealt with hardship, not one who has never endured it. Sloppy writing. but marichiko, in disagreeing with me, you emphasize (kind of) my point. What happened to whatever Polynesian tribe in 17XX, and how it proves that white people suck is an abstraction. The fact that you (and I) are thinking in those kind of terms is evidence that our brains don't have nearly enough to do insofar as our personal survival and well-being is concerned. I can point to my own family over the last year/s to illustrate. My family is close, as many are. Things that happen to another member hit close to home, and the effects are keenly felt by all. My baby nephew is going in for surgery Sept. 1 to correct something with his skull. It fused too soon, and has to be broken/cut apart again to allow for growth. That sucks. My grandmother died because the staff at her nursing home failed to give her heart medicine for 15 days. We had struggled for years to take care of her at home, and only when the situation became unmanageable did we reluctantly allow her to be admitted to that place. That seems unfair. I just got arrested for DUI at a checkpoint, and will lose my license for a year (it's 15 miles to work) and possibly get a month in jail. My fault, but had some lousy luck involved too (.087 BAC, resulting from 3 1/2 beers and no supper). This is going to put a financial strain not only on me, but on my parents, who are fast losing precious retirement years bailing out their dumbass kid. They deserve better -- particularly since neither of them have ever so much as even touched the stuff. They don't even fudge on their taxes. My dad said, when I told him about the arrest, "Why get a lawyer? You did it, didn't you? Just go take what the judge gives you." They deserve kids who are as straight as they are, but we 3 have broken their hearts countless times over the years with drugs, premarital sex, booze, and money trouble. The other two are married with kids, and living like their parents raised em too. I've still got one or two hanger-on demons, but things generally are looking up. Dad got prostate cancer, the aftereffects of which are both highly personal and emotionally devastating. One cousin I grew up with was killed in a car accident in TX. He had been drinking. He was in the process of divorcing his wife, who, upon learning of his death, went to his parents' ranch, entered the son's house and removed all the saddles and buckles he had won in rodeos since childhood. So she could sell them. For drugs. The sheriff was called, but could only stand there because they were still legally married and the stuff was more hers than his parents'. Even though she had only known him for 3 years. She drove off with 25 years' worth of their son's history, flipping them the bird over her shoulder. The next year, that same guy's grandfather (same ranch), whose health had collapsed after the grandson's death, fell while closing a gate and broke his hip. He was found 4 hours later and taken to the hospital. They needed to perform surgery to fix the hip, but he developed an infection and lost his leg. The infection was not completely removed, however, and soon after, he lost the other leg. Got sick after a stroke, nursing home for a couple years, and he died. A month later, his despondent wife (who lived in the same nursing home) followed suit. The father, who lost his parents and son in the same year, has a look in his eyes that can only be described as worn out. Another cousin went in for his 2nd kidney transplant two days ago. the first one was rejected 10 years ago, and he's been on dialysis ever since. He's not even 30 yet. But I ate 3 meals yesterday, slept in my own bed in an air-conditioned house. I came to work this morning, and because I have relative freedom to do whatever I want as long as the articles are in on time, I spent an hour at the Cellar. Tonight we're having a band practice. I made my car payment on time this month, and found the $700 to finish paying off my lawyer (whose brother committed suicide over the weekend -- no shit). Life could be so much worse. Yet, the sight of someone applying makeup while driving makes me homicidal, even though it makes absolutely no difference to my ETA at work. I lost my point a long time ago, but it was therapeutic to write about all that shit for some reason. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh Last edited by mrnoodle; 08-23-2005 at 10:29 AM.

08-23-2005, 10:41 AM	#2
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	You did it, got caught at the currently in vogue artificially deflated BAL levels ... and are probably, at .007 over, within the error for the field breath test device. Or was that a subsequent blood draw number? And didja know that because they swab your arm with alcohol for the blood draw, there's a miniscule raise in your BAL. Usually something under .01 or .02, but that changes your results enough that you could arguably have been legally under ... Get the lawyer. At the very least, plead out and try to keep your license as part of the deal. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-23-2005, 10:56 AM	#3
melidasaur Traded your soul for pogs. Join Date: May 2004 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 646	I think that people seem angry because they no longer listen. They already have their canned rants ready and prefer to come across as a jerk. I've seen it on here, I've seen it on TV, I've experienced it in real life... __________________ I love England, what can I say?

08-23-2005, 11:28 AM	#4
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	Yeah, I got the lawyer. In CO, unfortunately, what happens with your license and what happens in court are two different things. The DMV oversees license revocations, and they have no power to make judgements on anything but the blood test. If it's over .08, bye bye license, even if you are the grandmother of the governor. No provision for a work license either. The only two things that could conceivably change this outcome are: 1) the alcohol swab thing, 2) the fact that flouride is present on the cap of the vial they keep the blood in, which could cause the blood to ferment and thus invalidate the results if the second test shows a change in BAC, and 3) the arresting officer fails to show for the DMV hearing. As for the court part, the best result (again, barring a no-show by the arresting officer), is that I can plea down to first-offense status based on the fact that I completed the requirements for a deferred sentence on the first one (no offenses for X years, class, community service). The first one being the time that I was sleeping in my car in my friend's driveway with the keys in the ignition. Yah, beer is expensive for me. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

08-23-2005, 11:50 AM	#6
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	MrNoodle--how about telling them that you burped RIGHT BEFORE you blew into the breathalyzer? And I know this is too late, but: Don't ever submit to the breathalyzer. Ever. And, PS I'm not mad. I'm moody. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

08-23-2005, 11:43 AM	#5
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Sorry to hear about the DUI thing, Mr. Noodle. They ARE very tough on that here in Colorado. I think your post sort of proves my point, though. No, you're not in danger of being eaten by a saber toothed tiger, but, like many folks, you have a high background level of anxiety going on. Not saying that you do or do NOT do this, but its very easy to take one's frustrations out on the Internet.

08-23-2005, 12:00 PM	#7
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	They make it worse for you if you don't. You think they haven't heard, and made adjustments for, every excuse known to man? They bully you from start to finish. Technically, I didn't have to roll down the window of my car and speak to the officer at the checkpoint. But realistically, I would've been in worse trouble by not doing so. I did the tests, including the retarded track-the-pen-with-your-eyes hocus pocus (bright lights in your face, anyone?) I was told that I was going to jail, then they said if I took a blood test, they'd release me on a PR bond at the scene. Right. I already knew that I could blow another breath test at the station instead, but he wouldn't tell me what I blew on the initial test until I had completed the paperwork. I didn't know if an additional breath test would help. They run you through like a cow at the slaughterhouse, applying shocks and pressure where necessary to get you down the chute. The tactics are designed to keep a truly drunk person off-balance and controllable, but I wasn't drunk. I just knew that they were going to have their way or make it hell on me all the way. Don't try to tell a cop his job. He sees a dozen armchair constitutional experts a day, and they all go to jail. Better to get in the system without a fight, and give them as many opportunities as possible to screw up, something they excel at. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh Last edited by mrnoodle; 08-23-2005 at 12:02 PM. Reason: self incrimination

08-23-2005, 12:28 PM	#8
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah, and so much is just luck of the draw, too, Noodle. I was stopped by the cops once on New Year's Eve. I was all dressed up in my finest, complete with a pair of very stylish, very high heeled shoes. Well, the cops had me get out and wanted me to walk a straight line. I flashed my heels at them and said, "You really expect me to walk a straight line on this icy road in THESE?" They conferred with each other for a while, then one of them laughed and came up to me and told me to just go ahead and drive home. Safely of course. Saved by the bell! Or in my case, my high heels. But for the grace of the god of fashion, I could have been in your same predicament!

08-23-2005, 12:48 PM	#11
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	i learn the coolest things AFTER they won't do me any good any more. paying cash for time machine, pm me. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

08-23-2005, 01:11 PM	#12
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	well, how do you think we know some things? we learned them after it was too late for us. nobody is going to be sitting at the bar with you and say, "lishen here mishtrnoo hicdle, if you gethic pulllled ove' tnight, asshhk fer ablud tesh - ish yer righthic" they will invariably sit at the bar the next night and say "know what you hic shhhoulda done?" __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

08-23-2005, 01:30 PM	#14
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i hear that having all of the local LE well aware that you can outgun them helps as well. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

08-23-2005, 01:41 PM	#15
Hobbs Professor for the school of ass-clownery Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Surprise! Posts: 404	My wife claims that I have been really grumpy lately, and I have. I don't know why. I grump at the kids, the wife, and the little things that don't matter. I think some people just like being angry. For me, I think it's genetic. My mom's pretty much unhappy, has been all her life. Bitches and complains about everything even if it's a positive thing. Some people like confronation too. They like to argue for some reason. BTW Lookout, I completely aprove of the use of the word asshat! I personally like assclown myself, but that's just personal preference. Asshat sounds more...angry. __________________ That's it! Send in the chimps!

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