So, I finally have enough $$$ to buy a laptop... - Page 2

russotto · 05-05-2005, 09:13 AM

I'd recommend the iBook except that you can't get the DVD burner except in the 14" model (which is bigger than the 12" but has the same number of pixels). I have a Powerbook myself, unfortunately they are much more expensive. TechRestore.com has a 12" Powerbook with DVD-RW for $929.

As for dropping it... well, don't.

mbpark · 05-05-2005, 12:21 PM

Sycamore,

My mother has an iBook G3/700 with 640MB RAM and OS 10.3 (she will have 10.4 very soon however), along with Office 2004.

It's quite a servicable system, and much better than the Dell desktop she has.

Failing that, I'd go for an IBM Thinkpad R50 or R51 on special from PC Connection. These machines come with XP Pro, and are the toughest laptops next to my Powerbook G4 12"

.

Mitch

elSicomoro · 05-07-2005, 12:16 PM

Thanks for the input, guys!

I'm gonna go with a PC. I used Mac before PC, and think that it is superior to the PC. But everything I've looked at Mac-wise is a little more than I wish to spend...and I prefer to go with something new. And I'm still going to have my desktop PC, so I figure that it's wise to stick w/that format. Maybe my next computer will be a Mac.

jaguar · 05-07-2005, 02:55 PM

*sighs* another one lost

wolf · 05-07-2005, 03:11 PM

You didn't really have him to begin with.

jaguar · 05-08-2005, 08:56 AM

Once you go mac you don't go back, we only lose them before they've been converted...

Beestie · 05-08-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jaguar

Once you go mac you don't go back, we only lose them before they've been converted...

I've been a PC guy since '84 or so. Learned DOS backwards and forwards then windows. I pretty much make my living on MS Office/MS Access.

But, all my *really* cool friends always swore by the MAC. I listened to Leo LaPorte extoll the virtues of OSX plus I'm not a big fan of Windows/Microsoft. So, fast forward to 2004, I have two toddlers so I figure its time. I get an eMac. I set up an airport/router/etc to share my internet connection, crack my knuckles, sit myself in front of it and....

Its a black box to me. I can't figure out how to do much of anything other than surf the net. Now, to be fair to the Mac and to myself, I don't have endless hours to explore, read book after book and learn by trial and error like I did with PCs.

So, what advice do you have for those of us PC lemmings who really like the idea of converting but are having trouble getting over the hump. Is there a Bible for Macs that I should just bite the bullet and read front to back? I really bought this for the kids to grow up on but I am not doing a good job at all of engaging the kids with it because I don't have the same confidence I do with a PC. I need a jump start.

jaguar · 05-08-2005, 11:04 AM

There is a bible. It's called the Mac Bible. No, really. Published by Peachpit press, they've been doing it for ages, big fat fucker, covers everything. However, frankly, if you can get windows to do things you shouldn't be having any issues with OSX, it's all about as straightforward as you can get. I came to OSX with basically zero experience (last MacOS I'd just was 7.5) from a combination of Linux and Windows and beyond a few little things, I've found everything to be pretty much intuitive. If you've got specific questions I'm happy to answer them. Some things on mac are just too simple after windows, like installing applications, 99% of the time all you do is drag it onto the hard-drive. That's it. Or removing them, you drag it to the trash. The whole thing of disk images takes a little getting used to but it shouldn't be a showstopper.

BrianR · 05-09-2005, 03:34 PM

Well, there's another potential convert here. I'm about to allot the necessary funds to buy a laptop to take with me on the road. I will spend whatever I need to, as long as the damn thing doesn't cost more than the truck! I figure $1500 should do it, yes?

I will need a wireless network card so I can hack into other systems left unprotected and a decent HD and screen. Some means of connecting a digital camera (also to be purchased) will also be needed. This system will occasionally be connected to my home network but mostly will spend it's time all alone. I'm looking hard at a Powerbook so I can also hook up my iPod and enjoy music in those dead spots that only have country and local talk shows.

Now, I haven't used an Apple anything since ProDOS and the IIe. Here is an opportunity for Apple to turn me from the dark side, although I've been doing that myself, migrating to Linux.

Any suggestions?

Brian

jaguar · 05-09-2005, 03:46 PM

All macs have USB & Firewire, any digital camera will use one of those, pretty much every camera out there you simply plug in and it works, no software needed. Most of the Apple laptops come with wireless cards now, if not they can be purchased with it, the signal strength is pretty damn good, particularly on the iBooks as it's intergrated into the display. iPod is firewire so iBook or PB are fine. A 12" iBook is plenty fast for normal stuff, decked out with 768Mb RAM and an 80GB HDD (wireless built in) it's roughly $1300. Can dual-boot linux too

xoxoxoBruce · 05-09-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jaguar

Once you go mac you don't go back, we only lose them before they've been converted...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what they told me about Betamax too. :p

mbpark · 05-09-2005, 07:27 PM

BrianR,

An iBook with Tiger will do fine for you, and has wireless. You can also hook it into your battery on your car with an inverter and charge it that way.

Heck of a nice laptop, too.

Mitch

dar512 · 05-10-2005, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jaguar

Can dual-boot linux too

Why would you want to dual boot Linux when you could use the BSD underlying OS X?

BrianR · 05-10-2005, 10:42 PM

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jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Once you go mac you don't go back, we only lose them before they've been converted... __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

05-08-2005, 11:04 AM	#23
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	There is a bible. It's called the Mac Bible. No, really. Published by Peachpit press, they've been doing it for ages, big fat fucker, covers everything. However, frankly, if you can get windows to do things you shouldn't be having any issues with OSX, it's all about as straightforward as you can get. I came to OSX with basically zero experience (last MacOS I'd just was 7.5) from a combination of Linux and Windows and beyond a few little things, I've found everything to be pretty much intuitive. If you've got specific questions I'm happy to answer them. Some things on mac are just too simple after windows, like installing applications, 99% of the time all you do is drag it onto the hard-drive. That's it. Or removing them, you drag it to the trash. The whole thing of disk images takes a little getting used to but it shouldn't be a showstopper. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

05-09-2005, 03:34 PM	#24
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Well, there's another potential convert here. I'm about to allot the necessary funds to buy a laptop to take with me on the road. I will spend whatever I need to, as long as the damn thing doesn't cost more than the truck! I figure $1500 should do it, yes? I will need a wireless network card so I can hack into other systems left unprotected and a decent HD and screen. Some means of connecting a digital camera (also to be purchased) will also be needed. This system will occasionally be connected to my home network but mostly will spend it's time all alone. I'm looking hard at a Powerbook so I can also hook up my iPod and enjoy music in those dead spots that only have country and local talk shows. Now, I haven't used an Apple anything since ProDOS and the IIe. Here is an opportunity for Apple to turn me from the dark side, although I've been doing that myself, migrating to Linux. Any suggestions? Brian __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

05-05-2005, 09:13 AM	#16
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	I'd recommend the iBook except that you can't get the DVD burner except in the 14" model (which is bigger than the 12" but has the same number of pixels). I have a Powerbook myself, unfortunately they are much more expensive. TechRestore.com has a 12" Powerbook with DVD-RW for $929. As for dropping it... well, don't.

05-05-2005, 12:21 PM	#17
mbpark Lecturer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 761	Sycamore, My mother has an iBook G3/700 with 640MB RAM and OS 10.3 (she will have 10.4 very soon however), along with Office 2004. It's quite a servicable system, and much better than the Dell desktop she has. Failing that, I'd go for an IBM Thinkpad R50 or R51 on special from PC Connection. These machines come with XP Pro, and are the toughest laptops next to my Powerbook G4 12" . Mitch

05-07-2005, 12:16 PM	#18
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Thanks for the input, guys! I'm gonna go with a PC. I used Mac before PC, and think that it is superior to the PC. But everything I've looked at Mac-wise is a little more than I wish to spend...and I prefer to go with something new. And I'm still going to have my desktop PC, so I figure that it's wise to stick w/that format. Maybe my next computer will be a Mac.

05-09-2005, 03:46 PM	#25
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	All macs have USB & Firewire, any digital camera will use one of those, pretty much every camera out there you simply plug in and it works, no software needed. Most of the Apple laptops come with wireless cards now, if not they can be purchased with it, the signal strength is pretty damn good, particularly on the iBooks as it's intergrated into the display. iPod is firewire so iBook or PB are fine. A 12" iBook is plenty fast for normal stuff, decked out with 768Mb RAM and an 80GB HDD (wireless built in) it's roughly $1300. Can dual-boot linux too __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

05-09-2005, 07:27 PM	#27
mbpark Lecturer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 761	BrianR, An iBook with Tiger will do fine for you, and has wireless. You can also hook it into your battery on your car with an inverter and charge it that way. Heck of a nice laptop, too. Mitch

05-10-2005, 10:42 PM	#29
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338

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