4/26/2005: Agent Orange victim - Page 2

Undertoad · 04-27-2005, 07:02 PM

Snopes now says True, and has additional disturbing images of the lad.

jaguar · 04-28-2005, 09:38 AM

They knew how nasty that shit was when they dropped it.

Beestie · 04-28-2005, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jaguar

They knew how nasty that shit was when they dropped it.

I'm not so sure. I've seen (pics) and heard quite a few stories of servicemen clowning around and spraying it on each other. Now someone, somewhere might have known but its realistic to assume that it was merely rushed through developement without anyone ever bothering to ask. Not an excuse, just a plausible scenario.

jaguar · 04-28-2005, 10:50 AM

I'm sure GIs and poliots didn't but scientists did and I'm sure those in charge of the program did as well.

wolf · 04-28-2005, 10:59 AM

Still no proof this is Agent Orange. It could be one of 10,000 other chemical or radiological uses or spills.

Or mom could have smoked weed when she was pregnant.

No way of knowing at this point.

Sure feels good to blame the Americans again though, doesn't it?

warch · 04-28-2005, 11:15 AM

Sure feels good to wrap yourself in flagwavin' defensiveness yet again, doesnt it.

Troubleshooter · 04-28-2005, 11:22 AM

Occam's Razor cuts deep doesn't it?

wolf · 04-28-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by warch

Sure feels good to wrap yourself in flagwavin' defensiveness yet again, doesnt it.

Fuckin' A right, Bubba.

jaguar · 04-28-2005, 11:40 AM

I go to Vietnam on a fairly regluar basis, call it a certain connection to the issue.
Sure are defensive aren't you? Maybe this one isn't Agent Orange related but the chances are it is, the shit is all though the ecosystem from top to bottom, it doesn't go away - the dioxin concentration was insane. Must suck to be unable to face up to stuff your country did 30 years ago - all in the name of an absract policy.

wolf · 04-28-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jaguar

Must suck to be unable to face up to stuff your country did 30 years ago

I have no problem facing up to what my country did, whether it was 30 years ago, or more recently.

If it's the result of something we actually did.

warch · 04-28-2005, 11:47 AM

And beyond the blame or nonblame fest, here's a kid caught. Are there ways that Agent Orange can be cleaned up from the supersite we call Vietnam? Can the concentrations be reduced?

Troubleshooter · 04-28-2005, 11:49 AM

Is there a known genetic signature of the damage done by AO?

jaguar · 04-28-2005, 12:16 PM

There are tests to some degree, they can test for levels of specific dioxins but they are very, very expensive. Stuff stays in the ecosystem for decades.

Troubleshooter · 04-28-2005, 01:18 PM

Um, it has been decades.

Has a study been done to show the long term occurances of deformities like this.

Is there a declining trend? A steady trend?

jaguar · 04-28-2005, 02:36 PM

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I have no problem facing up to what my country did, whether it was 30 years ago, or more recently.

If it's the result of something we actually did.

You're contradicting yourself. Noone I've come across denies that Agent Orange and the fucking nasty dioxins it contained are responsible for the disturbingly high rates of cancer, birth defects, neural diseases and other problems in South Vietnam. The North was never really sprayed, rates there are normal.

04-28-2005, 09:38 AM	#2
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	They knew how nasty that shit was when they dropped it. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-28-2005, 10:50 AM	#4
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	I'm sure GIs and poliots didn't but scientists did and I'm sure those in charge of the program did as well. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-28-2005, 10:59 AM	#5
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Still no proof this is Agent Orange. It could be one of 10,000 other chemical or radiological uses or spills. Or mom could have smoked weed when she was pregnant. No way of knowing at this point. Sure feels good to blame the Americans again though, doesn't it? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-28-2005, 11:22 AM	#7
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Occam's Razor cuts deep doesn't it? __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

04-28-2005, 11:40 AM	#9
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	I go to Vietnam on a fairly regluar basis, call it a certain connection to the issue. Sure are defensive aren't you? Maybe this one isn't Agent Orange related but the chances are it is, the shit is all though the ecosystem from top to bottom, it doesn't go away - the dioxin concentration was insane. Must suck to be unable to face up to stuff your country did 30 years ago - all in the name of an absract policy. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-27-2005, 07:02 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Snopes now says True, and has additional disturbing images of the lad.

04-28-2005, 11:15 AM	#6
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Sure feels good to wrap yourself in flagwavin' defensiveness yet again, doesnt it.

04-28-2005, 11:47 AM	#11
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	And beyond the blame or nonblame fest, here's a kid caught. Are there ways that Agent Orange can be cleaned up from the supersite we call Vietnam? Can the concentrations be reduced?

04-28-2005, 11:49 AM	#12
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Is there a known genetic signature of the damage done by AO? __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

04-28-2005, 12:16 PM	#13
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	There are tests to some degree, they can test for levels of specific dioxins but they are very, very expensive. Stuff stays in the ecosystem for decades. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-28-2005, 01:18 PM	#14
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Um, it has been decades. Has a study been done to show the long term occurances of deformities like this. Is there a declining trend? A steady trend? __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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