Terri Schiavo's Parents Seek Divorce on Her Behalf - Page 2

Radar · 03-07-2005, 12:26 PM

Any money in accounts were long since spent on her care and keeping her on life support. She wanted to die. By all rights, he should be able to just give her an injection to help her die quickly, but some people have a problem with allowing people to die. So instead he did the right thing and kept fighting to respect her wishes. My wife's parents would never be able to stop me from carrying out my wife's wishes. Even if I had moved on romantically, I would not divorce and I would not stop fighting to carry out her last wish.

mrnoodle · 03-07-2005, 12:34 PM

What he said.

tw · 03-07-2005, 09:50 PM

Why is it that the same political people who would keep Terry Schiavo an alive vegatable would also promote capital punishment? What does their Bible tell them that justifies two contradictory opinions?

cjjulie · 03-08-2005, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Catwoman

Was it her wish to die of starvation/dehydration over a 2-week period? Did she want to be cremated? If so fine. Otherwise I think the life-giving parents should have more say than an absent husband. See, you should never get married!

It may not be her wish to die of starvation/dehydration, but do you really think it is her wish to be in a vegetative state for 14 years?

Cat - marriage is the BEST

There will ALWAYS be temptations

BigV · 03-16-2005, 11:44 PM

And the beat goes on. What kind of juice does this family have to motivate the freakin US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES to introduce legislation rightnow to give the Federal Gov't jurisdiction to further interfere with this situation? Where are the grounds for this?!

I astonish myself to find I am nostalgic for the "good old days" when the Republican party stood for smaller government and states rights. "We want to get the gov't off your back", etc, etc.
/shakes head in frustration and dismay/

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7927270

BigV · 03-17-2005, 12:03 AM

"Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men are wiser than one man. How's that again? I missed something."

"Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let's play that over again, too. Who decides?"

The pearls of wisdom fell from the lips of Lazarus Long, a man who lived 2300 years (and counting). His story was recounted by Robert Heinlein, in _Time Enough For Love_. I give this book my highest recommendation. In fact I have given the book itself on many occasions.

These quotes sprang to mind when I read about the latest chapter in this sad saga. Why do the people in the US House believe they know better than all the courts in Florida? Could someone please explain that to me?

Thanks in advance.

Catwoman · 03-17-2005, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

that's a reasonable conclusion. don't get married. you might end up in a coma and your husband and parents will be in court for years.

No one ever thinks of these things when writhing naked in honeymooned bliss. But it could happen to you!

lookout123 · 03-17-2005, 10:43 AM

or you could put away the fatalist attitude and live life. you can't live life not doing things because something might happen.

situations like this are relatively uncommon but serve as a warning to make sure that you have your affairs in order. Trusts, wills, DNR's, etc...

Catwoman · 03-17-2005, 10:45 AM

I do! That's the problem, I make these mistakes all the time! It's all just talk, I'm not miserable or holding back in "real life", just trying to find 'the better way' and maybe one day my mistakes won't matter.

lookout123 · 03-17-2005, 10:57 AM

mistakes? what mistakes? there are choices that if we had to do over again, we would of course choose the mulligan, but for the most part the initial choice/mistake is less important than the one that follows. how do we face the consequences of our previous choices? scream and cry that it's unfair? complain that nothing ever works? shrug and keep going? acknowledge a lesson learned not dwell on the negative?

i think a lot of people (not necessarily you, catwoman) spend life chasing a happiness that seems unobtainable for them, because they are consumed by the things that they cannot control. if we first realize what is within our ability to control and then focus on these things life becomes a bit easier and certainly less stressful.

we can't control other people, the world, the broken water pipe, the cat puking on the carpet, you company's decision to downsize...

you can control your own decisions and actions. that doesn't mean that when someone hurts you, you smile and say "thank you, can i have another." you can choose to be miserable, angry, focused on revenge, etc. or you can acknowledge that at some point all people will disappoint you and make the best of the situation in front of you. you can't control events in the past but you can control your reaction to them.

richlevy · 03-17-2005, 08:27 PM

From CBS News

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(CBS/AP) The House of Representatives and Florida legislature have both entered the battle over the removal of the feeding tube keeping alive a brain-damaged woman whose husband has been given permission by a state court to allow her to die.

..snip..

The U.S. House of Representatives bill, passed on a voice vote late Wednesday, would move such a case to federal court. Federal judges have twice turned down efforts by the Schindlers to move the case out of Florida courts, citing a lack of jurisdiction.

A voice vote. The spineless weasels even refused to stand up and be counted.

BigV · 03-18-2005, 02:07 PM

Please, someone help me here.

The word(s) I'm looking for are arrogance, cheating, hypocrisy...ok, I got the vibe now.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...1&pageNumber=0

The United States Senate, having failed to create legislation for ONE person, in time so they can leave for their Easter holiday, have in their ineffable wisdom, decided to achieve their goal of interferring meddling overruling with this person's life by calling her as a witness to a congressional hearing.

The reasoning (and I use the term verrrry loosely) is this:

Quote:

"The Senate and the House remain dedicated to saving Terri Schiavo's life. While discussions over possible legislative remedies continue, the Senate and the House are taking action to keep her alive in the interim," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican.

Frist said the Senate will call Schiavo as a witness before the its Health, Education and Labor Committee at a March 28 hearing in the middle of Congress' two-week Easter recess.

Federal law protects a witness "from anyone who ... influences, obstructs, or impedes an inquiry or investigation by Congress," Frist said.

They hope to intimidate the doctors who are scheduled to remove her feeding tube at 1pm EST. Will they risk federal prosecution on this score? Who knows?! But the result is the same: to threaten and scare the medical professionals iinto inaction. This is mere thuggery on the part of the lawmakers in Washington.

The shame is that it represents such a lowering of the standards of procedure that sustain our governmental institutions. Can't get what you want inside the rules, like agreeing to abide by a lower court's decision? Make a new law! Can't get the law passed? Obstruct with the threat of legal action, contempt of congress or some such boogie man.

It happened with the ANWR drilling proposal this week too. The proposal by itself would not have the votes to withstand a filibuster, so the language was added to the budget, a piece of legislation immune from filibuster. Again, can't win on the merits? Hide, obfuscate, piggyback, menace, misdirect, delay.

God, I'm gonna be sick. Why do we let these hypocrites bahave this way. Man, some bums is gonna get trown out!

breakingnews · 03-18-2005, 02:41 PM

Well put, BV.

I just find it absolutely appalling that legislators feel it's appropriate to meddle in this life-or-death affair. They have no business interfering with a case that is essentially a civil dispute at the very root. It's like fucking Judge Judy but on a much larger and much more ridiculous scale.

Oh, and looks like her feeding tube has been removed, per Judge Greer's order - to continue with removal regardless of govt actions - an hour or two ago.

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. (AP) _ A source close to the Terri Schiavo case tells The Associated Press that the severely brain-damaged woman's feeding tube has been removed.

chainsaw · 03-18-2005, 02:45 PM

All BS aside, I'm glad this matter will be over for her (hopefully very soon) and she can finally be at peace.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-18-2005, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV

God, I'm gonna be sick. Why do we let these hypocrites bahave this way. Man, some bums is gonna get trown out!

But don't you feel a surge of pride that our congressmen are so smart they can circumvent the rules that we mere peasants have to abide?

03-07-2005, 12:26 PM	#16
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Any money in accounts were long since spent on her care and keeping her on life support. She wanted to die. By all rights, he should be able to just give her an injection to help her die quickly, but some people have a problem with allowing people to die. So instead he did the right thing and kept fighting to respect her wishes. My wife's parents would never be able to stop me from carrying out my wife's wishes. Even if I had moved on romantically, I would not divorce and I would not stop fighting to carry out her last wish. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

03-07-2005, 12:34 PM	#17
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	What he said. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

03-16-2005, 11:44 PM	#20
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	And the beat goes on. What kind of juice does this family have to motivate the freakin US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES to introduce legislation rightnow to give the Federal Gov't jurisdiction to further interfere with this situation? Where are the grounds for this?! I astonish myself to find I am nostalgic for the "good old days" when the Republican party stood for smaller government and states rights. "We want to get the gov't off your back", etc, etc. /shakes head in frustration and dismay/ http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7927270 __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

03-17-2005, 12:03 AM	#21
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	"Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men are wiser than one man. How's that again? I missed something." "Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let's play that over again, too. Who decides?" The pearls of wisdom fell from the lips of Lazarus Long, a man who lived 2300 years (and counting). His story was recounted by Robert Heinlein, in _Time Enough For Love_. I give this book my highest recommendation. In fact I have given the book itself on many occasions. These quotes sprang to mind when I read about the latest chapter in this sad saga. Why do the people in the US House believe they know better than all the courts in Florida? Could someone please explain that to me? Thanks in advance. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

03-17-2005, 10:43 AM	#23
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	or you could put away the fatalist attitude and live life. you can't live life not doing things because something might happen. situations like this are relatively uncommon but serve as a warning to make sure that you have your affairs in order. Trusts, wills, DNR's, etc... __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-07-2005, 09:50 PM	#18
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Why is it that the same political people who would keep Terry Schiavo an alive vegatable would also promote capital punishment? What does their Bible tell them that justifies two contradictory opinions?

03-17-2005, 10:45 AM	#24
Catwoman stalking a Tom Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: on the edge of the english channel Posts: 1,000	I do! That's the problem, I make these mistakes all the time! It's all just talk, I'm not miserable or holding back in "real life", just trying to find 'the better way' and maybe one day my mistakes won't matter. __________________ I've decided I'm not going to have a signature anymore.

03-17-2005, 10:57 AM	#25
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	mistakes? what mistakes? there are choices that if we had to do over again, we would of course choose the mulligan, but for the most part the initial choice/mistake is less important than the one that follows. how do we face the consequences of our previous choices? scream and cry that it's unfair? complain that nothing ever works? shrug and keep going? acknowledge a lesson learned not dwell on the negative? i think a lot of people (not necessarily you, catwoman) spend life chasing a happiness that seems unobtainable for them, because they are consumed by the things that they cannot control. if we first realize what is within our ability to control and then focus on these things life becomes a bit easier and certainly less stressful. we can't control other people, the world, the broken water pipe, the cat puking on the carpet, you company's decision to downsize... you can control your own decisions and actions. that doesn't mean that when someone hurts you, you smile and say "thank you, can i have another." you can choose to be miserable, angry, focused on revenge, etc. or you can acknowledge that at some point all people will disappoint you and make the best of the situation in front of you. you can't control events in the past but you can control your reaction to them. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-18-2005, 02:41 PM	#28
breakingnews Q_Q Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere in between Posts: 995	Well put, BV. I just find it absolutely appalling that legislators feel it's appropriate to meddle in this life-or-death affair. They have no business interfering with a case that is essentially a civil dispute at the very root. It's like fucking Judge Judy but on a much larger and much more ridiculous scale. Oh, and looks like her feeding tube has been removed, per Judge Greer's order - to continue with removal regardless of govt actions - an hour or two ago. PINELLAS PARK, Fla. (AP) _ A source close to the Terri Schiavo case tells The Associated Press that the severely brain-damaged woman's feeding tube has been removed. __________________ Gone crazy, be back never.

03-18-2005, 02:45 PM	#29
chainsaw Wingnahningning... Er somethin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: 90802 Posts: 368	All BS aside, I'm glad this matter will be over for her (hopefully very soon) and she can finally be at peace. __________________ I have no life, so I watch movies.

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