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Old 02-21-2005, 09:08 PM   #1
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Silly, I don't eat human flesh!
Uhhh, never said you did.

Apparently you don't get it, so I'll explain. My comment was in reference to the fact that a diet based on fatty animal products (as this "study" seems to recommend) has been shown to cause clogging of the arteries, and therefore result in heart attacks--any doctor will tell you that.

But hey, if that's how you want to lead your life, go for it. I could personally care less. I would, however, never make the statement that all meat-eaters are stupid--it's not true, and it would offend people. Too bad you and TS think it's OK to slam a group of people based on a biased "study" and your own ignorance. Who's next, UT? Blacks and gays? Or maybe Jews and Muslims? No, probably not. Vegans are a much easier target, aren't they?

And Skunks--cool that you're planning on doing the veg thing! I had a REALLY hard time giving up milk chocolate, so I understand your wanting to hang on to it! Hope it works for ya--it can be a challenge, but I really think it's worth the effort...
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Old 02-21-2005, 09:25 PM   #2
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ever notice how the ones that get jabbed at the most are usually the ones that give the biggest reaction when they get jabbed? and garnet, you have to learn the rules. it is ok to pick on you because you are a vegan, me because i'm a christian, Onyx because her vocal stand against abortion, and LJ because, well - he's LJ - we all choose to be or do these things.

we can't pick on blacks because they didn't choose to be decended from monkeys, and jews - well i guess we can pick on them, they did decide to kill jesus...


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Old 02-21-2005, 08:42 PM   #3
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It seems to me that the logic of the study is:

- These African children who do not eat meat are malnourished.
- If you feed them a token amount of meat regularly, they perform better in school compared to the ones who don't. Milk or oil works, too, but not as well.

From which you can draw the conclusions that "their diet is not good" and "adding stuff to it helps." But I get lost when they decide that the only way to have a good diet is with meat. The case would be a good big stronger if any time had been devoted to comparing reasonable alternatives to meat (oil and milk are mentioned, yeah; but quantities and types aren't, and aside from all the fun "omega-3 this" and "polyunsaturated fat that" stuff, you're certainly going to get more out of milk or meat than a dollop of straight oil.)

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garnet: I don't consider myself a vegan, but I've taken to spending some time around a few of them, and cooking for them on occasion. After I move next month, I plan on making feta and milk chocolate the only overtly non-vegan food items in my life.

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Old 02-21-2005, 08:56 PM   #4
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After I move next month, I plan on making feta and milk chocolate the only overtly non-vegan food items in my life.
There's a thread in here somewhere. I'd be a vegan if I could eat...

Anyway flawed study. I think its easier to get all your nutrients from an omnivorous diet (not that folks do) but you can pull it off with a well considered vegan diet. Anyway I'd be a vegan if I could eat steak and eggs.
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Old 02-21-2005, 11:59 PM   #5
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garnet's sense of humor is intermittent.

UT, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. especially sycamore, that fat weasel
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Old 02-22-2005, 12:29 AM   #6
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Veganism doesn't do it for me: it's overly citified and an antisurvival behavior. Get in a situation where vegetable foods are not available but animal foods are, and you either ditch the veganism or starve, possibly to death. Not my idea of a sensible philosophy. Omnivory's the way that doesn't impede survival even in difficult circumstances.

That said, I like vegetarian recipes and dishes a lot better than professional-vegetarian philosophy -- and I particularly fondly remember the hippie sandwiches I used to get in Baltimore: a big slab of Muenster with sprouts and a slice of tomato and piece of lettuce between a couple slices of earnestly wholegrain bread. That was eatin'!
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Old 02-22-2005, 12:47 AM   #7
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That's never my intent but it keeps happening. sorry ppl.
hey UT? i'm a little disappointed that you haven't walked on water lately... and while you are at it would you please do something about the weather...
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Old 02-22-2005, 12:00 PM   #8
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I have a friend that was vegetarian for many years, then she moved on to the vegan diet... THEN the vegan raw diet (yeah, that means nothing cooked! Blah.). It lasted about 2 years and she began to look sickly. Thankfully, she realized that her body needed more and she slowly began eating milk products and now even eats fish and chicken every now and then. She looks and feels so much better.

My motto: Everything in moderation.
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Old 02-22-2005, 03:02 PM   #9
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Old 02-22-2005, 03:54 PM   #10
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Oh, leave garnet alone. They like to pick on you, garnet, because they can't date you. This is such a boy's club!
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Old 02-22-2005, 04:07 PM   #11
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She's deleted her user title and all the info in her profile. She's gone.

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Old 02-22-2005, 04:09 PM   #12
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I think garnet is perfectly capable of taking what she dishes out.
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Old 02-22-2005, 04:12 PM   #13
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I think garnet is perfectly capable of taking what she dishes out.
Apparently not...
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Old 02-22-2005, 04:22 PM   #14
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Apparently not...
Go fuck yourself, TS. And you too, Russotto. I think you both need to get laid...badly.

OK, now I'm gone, assholes. Feel better?

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Old 02-22-2005, 04:33 PM   #15
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Go fuck yourself, TS. And you too, jaguar. I think you both need to get laid...badly.

OK, now I'm gone, assholes. Feel better?
Not particularly.

And is it possible to get laid badly?
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