They really do make 'em crazy in AZ - Page 2

wolf · 09-02-2004, 11:11 PM

There is a difference between "expressing them" and "forcing them down" people's throats.

Freedom OF, not freedom FROM religion.

lookout123 · 09-02-2004, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Freedom OF, not freedom FROM religion.

ding ding ding - wolf gets the award for being one of the few who still realize the difference.

lookout123 · 09-03-2004, 12:10 AM

garnet - i don't know or particularly care what mel gibson's politics are, i started this thread because i found the article humorous.

i find it telling that because an individual has been in the news for his stated religious convictions the first and only thing you can point out is that he will probably infringe upon your right to choose. you didn't take the time to think that maybe he finds abortion morally abhorrent but doesn't believe it is an issue for legislation. sort of like John Kerry and many christians.

like i said, i don't know or care about what gibson would do if somehow he were magically made POTUS, i just think it's interesting to see where your thought process takes you.

garnet · 09-03-2004, 07:29 AM

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garnet - i don't know or particularly care what mel gibson's politics are, i started this thread because i found the article humorous.

Lookout--

Almost every single article you post is from various right-slanted websites about politics. You always claim you post them because they're "humorous" or "interesting," yet they always turn into some form of political debate and/or discussion on this forum. I'm sure you expect that by now.

If you post an article about Mel Gibson possibly running for office, people are going to want to discuss his politics--which may include his stance on abortion. Nobody's just going to sit there and pat you on the back for posting a "funny" article.

You are obviously pretty far right on most political issues. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not. If you don't want people disagreeing with your acceptance of these articles you post, perhaps you shouldn't post them at all.

Troubleshooter · 09-03-2004, 07:45 AM

What I've read so far of the Mel Gibson religion thing is that the church he belongs to is called First Family. It seems that their greatest divergence from Catholicism came with them refusing to follow Vatican II(tm).

And his dad is nuts.

YMMV

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If he can be as strongly religious in his personal life as we are led to believe and still make the movies, taken as a whole, that he makes then I'm thinking that he could probably do the same thing in office.

lookout123 · 09-03-2004, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by garnet

If you post an article about Mel Gibson possibly running for office, people are going to want to discuss his politics--which may include his stance on abortion. Nobody's just going to sit there and pat you on the back for posting a "funny" article.

no i posted an article about a nutjob dentist who lives near me wanting everyone to write mel gibson in as their vote for president. as far as i know mel gibson has nothing whatsoever to do with this.

and as i said before, you have the right to disagree with anyone you want. i pointed out that you saw "mel gibson, president" in the same sentence and immediately jumped upon the "oh shit, he's a catholic or christian and therefore he MUST want to take away my right to choose." it just illustrates your reactionary nature that you brought to the table in other threads.

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Almost every single article you post is from various right-slanted websites about politics.

yep, and as i have said before some are just to effing funny not to post. they highlight the caricature nature of some of the people involved. if you take the time to notice, the serious articles that i post are generally pulled from fairly balanced sources. most recently i have been pulling a bit from the economist. how right leaning is that?

i seriously cannot believe that this article turned into a freaking abortion debate. FWIW - i believe abortion is murder. i also believe you should retain the right to murder your unborn child until the strong majority of americans decide it must be stopped. since that will never happen, enjoy your right to choose. i find this to be consistant with my support of assisted suicide and the death penalty.

wolf · 09-03-2004, 08:32 PM

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ding ding ding - wolf gets the award for being one of the few who still realize the difference.

Not only that, I recognize it from the position of someone who is of a "minority religion."

I am the religious right. Just not the religion you were expecting ...

xoxoxoBruce · 09-03-2004, 08:42 PM

Two cents.
One- I thought the article about the dentist was funny.
Two- the Alice Cooper article made me laugh out loud.

lookout123 · 09-03-2004, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Two cents.
One- I thought the article about the dentist was funny.
Two- the Alice Cooper article made me laugh out loud.

thanks bruce. glad to see that i did at least cause one person to laugh with my attempts at something humorous.

alphageek31337 · 09-03-2004, 12:37 AM

Ah, but freedom of religion *is* freedom from religion, once one gets into a government office. It's pretty blindingly obvious that the Government was never intended to favor any specific religion, and that this doesn't just apply to various xtian sects. Jehovah's Witnesses are well within their rights to show up at my door at 9am on a Sunday, and I am well within my rights to answer the door with a pentagram drawn in ash on my forehead and stage-blood spattered over my shirt. That is a private affair (and quite entertaining, at that). However, the issues arise when the state and/or state-run organizations (such as public schools) begin to enforce religious beliefs as law.

BrianR · 09-03-2004, 06:37 AM

The Catholic religion (and most others) forbids murder too. Should laws against that be repealed because they are "religious" in origin?

Cyber Wolf · 09-03-2004, 06:57 AM

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The Catholic religion (and most others) forbids murder too. Should laws against that be repealed because they are "religious" in origin?

Speaking on murder itself, I don't think that's religious in nature. That's just good sense for a community as a whole. Otherwise, extortion could be protected by law...that 10% tithing business is little more than religiously sanctioned extortion. Pay up and you help guarantee your place in heaven. Don't and it counts as a little black mark against you when you're facing St. Peter.

Griff · 09-03-2004, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf

Otherwise, extortion could be protected by law...

Are you in communication with the IRS?

Cyber Wolf · 09-03-2004, 07:18 AM

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Are you in communication with the IRS?

I think it'd be more accurate to say they're in communication with me.

lookout123 · 09-03-2004, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf

Otherwise, extortion could be protected by law...that 10% tithing business is little more than religiously sanctioned extortion. Pay up and you help guarantee your place in heaven. Don't and it counts as a little black mark against you when you're facing St. Peter.

if you've actually ever read the book, you would know that is not how tithing works.

09-02-2004, 11:11 PM	#1
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	There is a difference between "expressing them" and "forcing them down" people's throats. Freedom OF, not freedom FROM religion. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

09-03-2004, 12:10 AM	#3
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	garnet - i don't know or particularly care what mel gibson's politics are, i started this thread because i found the article humorous. i find it telling that because an individual has been in the news for his stated religious convictions the first and only thing you can point out is that he will probably infringe upon your right to choose. you didn't take the time to think that maybe he finds abortion morally abhorrent but doesn't believe it is an issue for legislation. sort of like John Kerry and many christians. like i said, i don't know or care about what gibson would do if somehow he were magically made POTUS, i just think it's interesting to see where your thought process takes you. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-03-2004, 07:45 AM	#5
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	What I've read so far of the Mel Gibson religion thing is that the church he belongs to is called First Family. It seems that their greatest divergence from Catholicism came with them refusing to follow Vatican II(tm). And his dad is nuts. YMMV Edit: If he can be as strongly religious in his personal life as we are led to believe and still make the movies, taken as a whole, that he makes then I'm thinking that he could probably do the same thing in office. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle Last edited by Troubleshooter; 09-03-2004 at 07:47 AM.

09-03-2004, 08:42 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Two cents. One- I thought the article about the dentist was funny. Two- the Alice Cooper article made me laugh out loud. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-03-2004, 12:37 AM	#10
alphageek31337 Enemy Combatant/Evildoer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 263	Ah, but freedom of religion is freedom from religion, once one gets into a government office. It's pretty blindingly obvious that the Government was never intended to favor any specific religion, and that this doesn't just apply to various xtian sects. Jehovah's Witnesses are well within their rights to show up at my door at 9am on a Sunday, and I am well within my rights to answer the door with a pentagram drawn in ash on my forehead and stage-blood spattered over my shirt. That is a private affair (and quite entertaining, at that). However, the issues arise when the state and/or state-run organizations (such as public schools) begin to enforce religious beliefs as law. __________________ The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. ---Friedrich Nietzsche

09-03-2004, 06:37 AM	#11
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	The Catholic religion (and most others) forbids murder too. Should laws against that be repealed because they are "religious" in origin? __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

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