Would you hire this individual?

[russotto]

DUI is a piddling little offense. Bush's was about as piddling as a DUI got back then, too -- BAC of 0.10. One such is nothing to base a hiring decision on (except perhaps for a driving job), not even if it were last year rather than nearly 30 years ago. It's nothing to quit drinking over, either.

Originally Posted by russotto

DUI is a piddling little offense. Bush's was about as piddling as a DUI got back then, too -- BAC of 0.10. One such is nothing to base a hiring decision on (except perhaps for a driving job), not even if it were last year rather than nearly 30 years ago. It's nothing to quit drinking over, either.

A DUI should give one considerable pause. Its a very serious offense and in my state, a second one brings manadatory jail time and loss of your driver's license for x amount of time. According to a study done by the state of Colorado, about 55% of DUI offenders are problem drunk drivers - they just haven't been caught all the other times they drank and drove.

How many other times do you suppose George Jr. might have got pulled over and was let go as a courtesy because of who he was? Especially when given the fact that G. Jr. finally DID admit to being alcoholic 10 years later after almost killing himself and a friend in the course of a drunken plane ride with George in charge in the cockpit?

A DUI should make ANYONE look very seriously at their drinking pattern.

[russotto]

Originally Posted by marichiko

A DUI should give one considerable pause. Its a very serious offense and in my state, a second one brings manadatory jail time and loss of your driver's license for x amount of time.

Because the MADDWomen have had their way, it has punishment way out of proportion with its seriousness.

According to a study done by the state of Colorado, about 55% of DUI offenders are problem drunk drivers - they just haven't been caught all the other times they drank and drove.

So, even taking that for granted, the other 45% are just average Joes who got nailed for one beer too many (which could be just one beer)

[dar512]

Originally Posted by russotto

Because the MADDWomen have had their way, it has punishment way out of proportion with its seriousness.

Many drivers on the road don't drive very well even when stone sober. I consider drunk driving reckless endangerment with a lethal weapon. It's very nearly a textbook definition of irresponsibility.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Fine, but exceeding .08 doesn't make you a drunk driver.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Fine, but exceeding .08 doesn't make you a drunk driver.

I don't have any information to call on this. I'd say it depends at what level reaction time is impaired.

[russotto]

Originally Posted by dar512

Many drivers on the road don't drive very well even when stone sober. I consider drunk driving reckless endangerment with a lethal weapon. It's very nearly a textbook definition of irresponsibility.

So if Billy Bob drives better after 3 beers than Jimbo does sober, why is it Billy Bob committing "reckless endangerment"?

[dar512]

Originally Posted by russotto

So if Billy Bob drives better after 3 beers than Jimbo does sober, why is it Billy Bob committing "reckless endangerment"?

First thing -- how quickly did Billy Bob consume the three beers and how long after the last one did he get in his car and drive away?

Next - you are asking a theoretical question that I'm not convinced applies in real life. Assuming that Jimbo has passed a driving exam at some point, and assuming that Billy Bob drank three beers in an hour and then drove, I don't believe that any Billy Bob will drive better than the sober Jimbo.

In any case, I am sure that Billy Bob sober drives better than Billy Bob with three beers in him. The decision to drive with decreased ability is reckless.

[xoxoxoBruce]

This is always a problem with "one size fits all" laws. There is always so many other factors besides the alcohol consumed that affect your driving.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

This is always a problem with "one size fits all" laws. There is always so many other factors besides the alcohol consumed that affect your driving.

Yeah, try telling that to a judge.

[Cyber Wolf]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

This is always a problem with "one size fits all" laws. There is always so many other factors besides the alcohol consumed that affect your driving.

Sure there are, but the point is the chances of the driver recovering from or reacting to those other factors quickly and most accurately is greatly reduced after alcohol. Alcohol takes effect from the first beer/glass of wine/shot of Rotgut whether you notice or not.

[russotto]

Billy Bob had enough beers that he's at .08 on the way up, will peak at .10.

Jimbo passed a driving exam, but just barely. He managed to use his turn signals and watch for traffic during the exam, but rarely does in real life. He's gotten in many fender-benders as a result but somehow has avoided a major accident or license suspension. Please don't try to tell me this type of person doesn't exist; they do.

In any case, I am sure that Billy Bob sober drives better than Billy Bob with three beers in him.

Well, actually, Billy Bob's a bit high-strung and aggressive sober. So I wouldn't be all that sure.

The decision to drive with decreased ability is reckless

And that's a silly cop-out. It's not reckless to drive when not at 100% of one's ability, provided one's remaining ability is decent.

[Trilby]

grandpa drives and he's a hundred and four...think he's 100%----not!

[xoxoxoBruce]

Alcohol takes effect from the first beer/glass of wine/shot of Rotgut whether you notice or not.

Actually the U of Michigan did a study years ago that said most people drive better after 1 drink but then of course ability declines from there on.

The decision to drive with decreased ability is reckless

Then hang up the God damned phone.

Originally Posted by russotto

And that's a silly cop-out. It's not reckless to drive when not at 100% of one's ability, provided one's remaining ability is decent.

But that is exactly the problem. The very organ that we use to make decisions and access risk factors - the brain - is the one being impacted by the alcohol. Frankly, I don't think its unreasonable to still drive after having had one or even two drinks. More than that and your starting to skate on thin ice (or drive, as the case might be).

Billy Bob's brain tells him that after 4 drinks he's the funniest man in the bar, that every woman will want to go home with him , and that he's the best driver since Mario Andretti. Wrong every time.