John Kerry flips the bird - Page 2

Kitsune · 06-03-2004, 08:53 AM

I thought we had this discussion already. Sycamore is correct: It is biased to whatever pushes people's buttons and that includes anger. Also, if you lean to the right, you are a lot less likely to remember something that is reported to anger those that lean left but you will never forget the small comment made on the news that gets the right upset.

I don't think the news is "owned by" the left, right, or anything like that. It is biased, but it biased specifically to sell.

...unless its Fox News, that is.

lookout123 · 06-03-2004, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by jaguar
Oh please, the US media is about as left wing as adolph hitler, particularly fox which is just plain scary.

compared to bbc, you are correct.

lookout123 · 06-03-2004, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by jaguar
Simple fact is what most of europe would see as centre, msot of the US would see as left.

well, no kidding. although america continues to slide down the slippery slope of entitlements, socialism is still a pretty dirty word in america. that stigma has pretty well faded away in the rest of the world.

only history ( a loooong time from now) will show if this was a good thing or bad. but for now at least most americans, to verying degrees, agree that "socialist" ideas are not the right path for america to follow. even if it is just lip-service from many, that is what is said out loud.

jaguar · 06-03-2004, 12:49 PM

Dude, the BBC isn't left wing, if you want an example of left wing media look at the Guardian or to a lesser extend, the Independant. Not the BBC. Hell half the time CNN and BBC World aare showing exactly the same feeds. I feel I look at a broad enough range of media sources to be able to judge what is left, right and what lies closest to the centre, in terms of balanced reporting I do find the BBC very, very good.

Just for the record, socialism has a very precise definition far, far closer to communism that most people realise.

lookout123 · 06-03-2004, 01:25 PM

i do understand the dictionary definition of socialism. what i was referring to is what is commonly accepted to be "socialist ideas".

whether it is left wing or right wing is all a matter of perspective. to you bbc is centrist and you support that by saying it reports about the same as cnn. personally i think cnn is pretty left of center, at times.

but that is what i was saying before - there is no fair and balanced reporting left in the media. and it is a damn shame.

Radar · 06-03-2004, 01:35 PM

Wow, I hope Kerry did flip them off. If he did, my opinion of him is better than before.

elSicomoro · 06-03-2004, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by Beestie
There are numerous legitimate studies that clearly demonstrate that the mainstream media is overwhelmingly liberal as evidenced by either self-procaimation or voting patterns.

Let's see some of them, then.

warch · 06-03-2004, 03:50 PM

Ha! If true, a breach of decorum, but a welcome one.
Do a bit of research on the poor offended delicate veteran Ted Sampley who reports this, what an obnoxious creep. "Ted Sampley, a North Carolina conservative who tried to discredit former prisoner of war John McCain as anti-veteran in 2000, runs a Web site called Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry." Apparently Sample assaulted McCain's campaign manager. Go Kerry Go! Frankly, I'm surprised at Kerry's moxy and it makes me like him more. I hope the kids cheered, too.

The media is up for sale. Never trust a "journalist" to be objective while sporting any nation's flag in his or her lapel.

edit correction- I read later it was a McCain staffer that Sampley beat up.

lumberjim · 06-03-2004, 05:05 PM

the media in general sucks my butt.

except for howard stern, the daily show, and
the onion

lookout123 · 06-03-2004, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by Radar
Wow, I hope Kerry did flip them off. If he did, my opinion of him is better than before.

what about flipping off a vietnam vet makes you like him more?

elSicomoro · 06-03-2004, 08:43 PM

Don't get it twisted, lookout. He said nothing about like. With Radar, he just hates you less.

richlevy · 06-03-2004, 08:49 PM

Well, one advantage the President has over Kerry is that he can pick safe venues. The Secret Service can keep protesters over 100 yards away. If he picks a military school or base, a code of conduct prevents any active military personnel (and thanks to GW, almost all of them are active now) from criticizing the President in public.

This means he can cocoon himself with people who agree with them and only be exposed to the %40 of the public who don't vocally disagree with him.

I remember hearing about how during Vietnam Nixon actually left the White House to speak to a protester. Even Nixon had more balls than our current leader.

BTW, I think those 'flip flop' protesters at Kerry rallies are staged.

glatt · 06-04-2004, 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by richlevy
BTW, I think those 'flip flop' protesters at Kerry rallies are staged.

By "staged" do you mean "not spontanious"

I think most potesters do it with pre-meditation. Of course they are staged.

Catwoman · 06-04-2004, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by lookout123
the problem is that the media no longer reports the news, they decide what IS news.

... and because the general blood sucking populace is incapable of distinguishing between WHAT is told and how it is told, our beliefs, ideals and social structure are all dictated by self-obsessed attention grabbing power seeking soul destroying MYTHs.

And I'm holding back on the capitalised four-letter words.

Kitsune · 06-04-2004, 09:26 AM

The Secret Service can keep protesters over 100 yards away.

Kerry gets the same treatment because he is a US Senator. His recent visit at USF, which is right up the street from me, resulted in roads being shut down by local police and a huge escort of Secret Service security. A large section of campus closed down where he was speaking.

06-03-2004, 12:49 PM	#19
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Dude, the BBC isn't left wing, if you want an example of left wing media look at the Guardian or to a lesser extend, the Independant. Not the BBC. Hell half the time CNN and BBC World aare showing exactly the same feeds. I feel I look at a broad enough range of media sources to be able to judge what is left, right and what lies closest to the centre, in terms of balanced reporting I do find the BBC very, very good. Just for the record, socialism has a very precise definition far, far closer to communism that most people realise. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

06-03-2004, 01:25 PM	#20
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i do understand the dictionary definition of socialism. what i was referring to is what is commonly accepted to be "socialist ideas". whether it is left wing or right wing is all a matter of perspective. to you bbc is centrist and you support that by saying it reports about the same as cnn. personally i think cnn is pretty left of center, at times. but that is what i was saying before - there is no fair and balanced reporting left in the media. and it is a damn shame. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

06-03-2004, 01:35 PM	#21
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Wow, I hope Kerry did flip them off. If he did, my opinion of him is better than before. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

06-03-2004, 03:50 PM	#23
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Ha! If true, a breach of decorum, but a welcome one. Do a bit of research on the poor offended delicate veteran Ted Sampley who reports this, what an obnoxious creep. "Ted Sampley, a North Carolina conservative who tried to discredit former prisoner of war John McCain as anti-veteran in 2000, runs a Web site called Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry." Apparently Sample assaulted McCain's campaign manager. Go Kerry Go! Frankly, I'm surprised at Kerry's moxy and it makes me like him more. I hope the kids cheered, too. The media is up for sale. Never trust a "journalist" to be objective while sporting any nation's flag in his or her lapel. edit correction- I read later it was a McCain staffer that Sampley beat up. Last edited by warch; 06-03-2004 at 04:13 PM.

06-03-2004, 05:05 PM	#24
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	the media in general sucks my butt. except for howard stern, the daily show, and the onion __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

06-03-2004, 08:53 AM	#16
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	I thought we had this discussion already. Sycamore is correct: It is biased to whatever pushes people's buttons and that includes anger. Also, if you lean to the right, you are a lot less likely to remember something that is reported to anger those that lean left but you will never forget the small comment made on the news that gets the right upset. I don't think the news is "owned by" the left, right, or anything like that. It is biased, but it biased specifically to sell. ...unless its Fox News, that is.

06-03-2004, 08:43 PM	#26
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Don't get it twisted, lookout. He said nothing about like. With Radar, he just hates you less.

06-03-2004, 08:49 PM	#27
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Well, one advantage the President has over Kerry is that he can pick safe venues. The Secret Service can keep protesters over 100 yards away. If he picks a military school or base, a code of conduct prevents any active military personnel (and thanks to GW, almost all of them are active now) from criticizing the President in public. This means he can cocoon himself with people who agree with them and only be exposed to the %40 of the public who don't vocally disagree with him. I remember hearing about how during Vietnam Nixon actually left the White House to speak to a protester. Even Nixon had more balls than our current leader. BTW, I think those 'flip flop' protesters at Kerry rallies are staged. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

06-04-2004, 09:26 AM	#30
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	The Secret Service can keep protesters over 100 yards away. Kerry gets the same treatment because he is a US Senator. His recent visit at USF, which is right up the street from me, resulted in roads being shut down by local police and a huge escort of Secret Service security. A large section of campus closed down where he was speaking.

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