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[quzah]

Originally posted by dave
I have ten fingers. This is true.

Mind explaining to me how this is up for debate?

Sure, you can say you have ten fingers, but how does that make it true to me? You could scan your hands and post a picture, but then that still doesn't prove anything, because they could be some one else's hands.

Carry this over to religion. Many people state that their belief system is "the truth", and they immediately damn everyone else. But why is yours true? Simply because you believe it? The fact of the matter is, none of them "know" it's the "truth", they simply convince themselves it is so, so it is.

Originally posted by Tobiasly
No, that is still an incorrect statement. As Mulder said, "the truth is out there." If people convince you that 2 + 2 = 5, that doesn't make it true, it just makes you wrong. There is only one truth.

Actually, I've been told that it is possible to prove 2+2=5. My cousin was in a math class where they did a proof which was able to turn out said result. If we wander together over to google it seems we have our answer.

Originally posted by sycamore
There is certainly undisputable truth out there. Unfortunately people are not always completely truthful via the use of half-truths. At the same time, our interpretations of the truth may differ. I may interpret an undisputable fact as one thing, while Quzah sees it differently.

Indeed. It's like when you had to take tests in school. True or false tests. If any part of the answer was true, you were supposed to mark true. Yet, at the same time, part of the answer could be false, while the whole sum of it was still considered to be true.

Truth is what you can convince others, or yourself, of. We don't even begin to scratch the surface of the mind here. There are people who have 100% conviction that a given statement is fact, and even when shown "proof" to the contrairy, cannot or will not accept the new as true.

Think about it: Everything you know as "true" is simply because you were led to believe it. That my friend, is true.

Quzah.

[Tobiasly]

Originally posted by sycamore
I think I understand what Quzah is trying to say.

I understand what he's trying to say too; he's just using incorrect terminology.

Truth is what you can convince others, or yourself, of. We don't even begin to scratch the surface of the mind here. There are people who have 100% conviction that a given statement is fact, and even when shown "proof" to the contrairy, cannot or will not accept the new as true.

Truth does not vary from person to person. What they believe is true surely does, but not what is true. It doesn't matter who accepts it.

The Earth is round. It always has been (well, at least since humans have been around). Yet not too long ago everyone thought it was flat. When it was in fact discovered to be round, truth did not change. The truth is that it was round all along, and no one knew it.

Even today, there is a Flat Earth Society that believes the earth is flat. Does this mean that the truth is different for them? No. What they believe to be true may be different, but <B>there is only one truth</B>, and it is that the earth is round.

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Mine said, "SAVE A TREE....eat a beaver".

*picks up her mind out of the gutter and brushes it off*

Interesting quotes from non-meat eaters:

"I never eat anything with a face* (not sure who said that, but I thought that was kinda funny)

"I don't eat anything that can run away from you." Russell Simmons.

[xoxoxoBruce]

"I never eat anything with a face* (not sure who said that, but I thought that was kinda funny)

"I don't eat anything that can run away from you." Russell Simmons.

When it gets to my plate it's got no face and definitely not running away.

Sure, quzah. But that doesn't change the fact that I have ten fingers.

[linknoid]

I'm a vegetarian, but I still found this amusing:

Vegetables are not food; vegetables are what food eats.
Fruit are vegetables that fool you by tasting good.
Fish are fast-moving vegetables.
Mushrooms are what grows on vegetables when food's done with them.
-- Meat Eater's Credo

[OnyxCougar]

Posted by Quzah:

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Originally posted by dave
I have ten fingers. This is true.

Mind explaining to me how this is up for debate?
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Sure, you can say you have ten fingers, but how does that make it true to me? You could scan your hands and post a picture, but then that still doesn't prove anything, because they could be some one else's hands.



Just because it can't be proven to your satisfaction doesn't make it not true.

[elSicomoro]

I see valid points in what both Tob and Quzah are saying, but I think the differences are philosophical in the end.

I like what I said the best, so fuck all of you.

[quzah]

Originally posted by OnyxCougar

Just because it can't be proven to your satisfaction doesn't make it not true.

Just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's true.

Quzah.

[hot_pastrami]

If God didn't want us to eat cows, then why would he make them out of steak!!?

You can't beat logic with a stick.

[xoxoxoBruce]

You can't beat logic with a stick.

No, but you can beat logic with a steak!

[xoxoxoBruce]

Just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's true

It does until you prove otherwise.