I blame.......for our present shit show.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Was it you he Putin that posture? Sympathies.

Somewhere about the 'net, by the magic of Photoshop, there's an image of the barechested Putin in the saddle -- riding a scaled-up spotted hyena.

[Undertoad]

15 posts in and nobody has mentioned the Russians...!

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

15 posts in and nobody has mentioned the Russians...!

Ahem, what is Putin, chopped liver?

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Ahem, what is Putin, chopped liver?

Again from The Economist. Putin for President. 24 more years.

Never ask the wrong question:

[Flint]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

15 posts in and nobody has mentioned the Russians...!

What are you, a Russian bot? Mentioning the Russians to sow division?

[Undertoad]

Oh! sorry

[Happy Monkey]

Re: tw's cartoon
I've seen that around, but from where I sit, you could replace both of them with Bloomberg... I don't think I've had Trump or Sanders screaming into my home about 2020 nearly to the extent that Bloomberg has.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Re: tw's cartoon
I've seen that around, but from where I sit, you could replace both of them with Bloomberg... I don't think I've had Trump or Sanders screaming into my home about 2020 nearly to the extent that Bloomberg has.

Money talks.


It scales up, too.

[Griff]

Revision: I blame money and "moderates" for our present shit show.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Supreme Court... Citizens united.

But nobody noticed, after Obama got elected the Koch Brothers et al, spent tons of money at state level to capture a bunch of beholdin' Governors and state legislators.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I don't think I've had Trump or Sanders screaming into my home about 2020 nearly to the extent that Bloomberg has.

Anyone who throws out solutions without first defining the problem is yelling. Any solution that does not first define a problem insults a thinking person. Only moderates and extremists exist. Extremists push solutions loudly for problems that only exist among the emotional. Loudly to camouflage their missing logical, adult reasoning.

Trump is constantly yelling. So extremists love him. The Economist:

Since long before his election in 2016 Donald Trump has attacked undocumented immigrants, whom he sees as criminals coming to sell drugs, commit crimes, and steal jobs. ... When Mr Trump first promised to construct the wall, he said it would have a "big beautiful door" to let in legal migrants. In fact, under his administration, legal migrants are finding themselves shut out too.

Is that a decisive informed solution? Of course not. That is Trump yelling about fictional threats. Yelling because that is what emotion (extremist) adults want to believe.

Fracking is not the problem. Some fracking companies only want to make profits. Just like The Don, they are corrupt. They create serious environmental damage - legally. Ie Cabot Oil in NE Pennsylvania. So lets punish all others because they are Donald Trump corrupt. Yelled out is that Sander's solution.

He cannot bother to first define a problem. He simply wants to throw hand grenades at everything. That is yelling.

Trump never ran a successful company. He routinely stiffs his contractors, employees, and banks. Another extremist with a slightly different agenda. To enrich and empower himself - The Don - at the expense of all others. He is an enemy of patriotic Americans - moderates. One here even lied - said he does not stiff contractors, Trump yells out attacks on others so that extremists will not see he is lying. So that extremists will even deny Trump routinely stiffs contractors.

Bernie does not want to address or define the reason for a massively overpriced health system. He only wants to throw government money at it. As if money solves all problems. Another hand grenade. To solve problems by destroying everything else. He keeps yelling that bogus solution. Yelling because he cannot promote it with deadpan reason - as a moderate.

Obama had one major problem with Obamacare. Wacko extremists on the left (ie Sanders) kept obstructing legislation. That is a leader? Of course not. That is someone similar to Trump. Yelling nonsense rather than working out a solution. Republicans were not obstructing it. Pelosi at one point, under blunt comments from a frustrated Obama, was downtrodden. At one point, sat there looking at the floor without any solution. Because she could not get yelling wacko Democrats to stop obstructing Obamacare. Sanders yells rather than logically, unemotionally, and intellectually first define a problem. He even repeatedly obstructed Obamacare.

What did I see among Sanders supporters at the 2016 Democratic convention. No grasp of reality. They even said the Federal Reserve is a private corporation for the rich. That is the type of person an extremist gets support from.

His fracking and health insurance accusations do not address / solve any problem. Only make things worse. So he yells bogus solutions - as the Economist so accurately parodies. Since that yelling makes him popular among extremists - for the same reasons Trump yells bogus solutions to his right wing extremists.

Sanders is little different than Trump. So bad, that even I must consider voting for Trump. You want Trump to win? Then keep supporting that extremist Sanders.

You want Trump to win? Even the Russians want Sanders - so that Trump will win. That I would even consider voting for Trump tells you how bad (just as dumb) Sanders is.

I do not see Bloomberg or Biden yelling. I see Sanders yelling just like Trump. If I would consider voting for Trump, then you know your Sanders support is self-destructive. You want Trump? Then support Sanders. Even the Russians see that a victory for their man.

At least Bernie's heart is in the right place. That's about all he has going for him (assuming it does not give out again).

[Griff]

Interesting perspective.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by Griff

Interesting perspective.

Is there a different perspective than this?

"McGovern lost in 1972" --48 years ago?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Griff

Interesting perspective.

Big letters do not quantify knowledge or honesty. Since it is a soundbyte, then it is probably a lie.

Facts: Gore lost to another candidate also campaigning as a centrist - barely. So that proves centrists can win.

Kerry lost to an incumbent president who used war to be even more popular. And became a victim of something new - numerous internet lies - ie swift boating. Kerry lost by a small margin.

Obama ran as a centrist. And successfully recruited left wing extremist support to his campaign. He defeated another centrist - McCain. Proving your point? McCain could not win because he was a centrist? But Obama won because he was a centrist.

Obama did same in the next election to defeat another centrist - Romney. So Romney lost because he was a centrist?

Only relevant is who is presidential material. Centrist or not is clearly irrelevant.

Relevant are facts that define a responsible president. Facts (demonstrated in his book before he was elected) said George Jr would not be. So he was not.

One need only view over 3500 contractors that Trump stiffed to know he would be the crappy lying asshole that he is. Then view lies even in the Cellar that deny such facts. Even his supporters will lie - because that is the man he really is. Not only is Trump a bad president. His history said he would be. His supporters even lie about how he stiffs contractors, employees, and bankers.

Bernie hypes solutions that ignore the problem AND that will not work. He is also lying.

Relevant is only how a presidential candidate thinks. An honest man defines a problem long before hyping solutions. Sanders solutions do not solve problems; may make things worse; and exist by completely ignoring what the problem really is. Defines a bad leader.

Meanwhile, everyone can see that the American economy is going into recession - because of Trump. Tax cuts for the rich were a first destructive blow. The Fed, for the fourth time, has been forced to lower rates. This time, even before their usual meeting. And by twice as much as all other rate cuts. After three rate cuts, things were still getting worse.

The Fed sees a recession that may cause major job losses in four years.

A recession created by someone with only a 30 second attention span.
Using defective reasoning similar to what Sanders demonstrates. Neither man demonstrates enough integrity to be a responsible leader. Well, at least Sanders has more than a 30 second attention span.

Only relevant question. Which one identifies a problem BEFORE advocating a solution? Neither.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by tw

… Only relevant question. Which one identifies a problem BEFORE advocating a solution? Neither.

Even the best Democratic presidential candidate can identify only one perceived problem … having a Republican President. So it comes down to proposed solutions. MAGA wins.