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[henry quirk]

Sumthin' else: (again, borrowing from my anecdote) George has pissed me off and naturally (for me) I want redress. I would, however, view with great suspicion the interest of strangers in my circumstance.

That is: I got cause to be pissed (just as the family and friends of F. Gray got cause to be pissed) but strangers have no cause to muck about in my affairs. All these folks out and about in Baltimore can't possibly be Gray's family and friends...no, they're strangers using a circumstance to further their own agendas and grind their own axes (axes having nuthin' to do with Gray's death).

#

"the vast majority of businesses in black neighborhoods in America are not black owned."

The vast majority of businesses in black neighborhoods service the folks who live in those neighborhoods (blacks who, in Baltimore, are burning and looting their own neighborhoods)...to burn out the pharmacy where you get your medicines, the grocery where you get your food, and the old folks' homes where your granny lives is craziness.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Sumthin' else: (again, borrowing from my anecdote)
George has pissed me off and naturally (for me) I want redress.
I would, however, view with great suspicion the interest of strangers in my circumstance. ... #

But Henry, you've changed the specifics of the situation.

Try stating your case in terms of:
"Mr George is my neighbor cop who beat up my nephew."

[henry quirk]

"Mr George is my neighbor cop who beat up my nephew."

All more the reason for me to mebbe burn down HIS house (with him in it).

Sure as shit I won't burn down my own, won't burn out the neighbor on the other side of me who has done nuthin.

And: I would still view offers of help from strangers with great suspicion, wondering what they hope to gain ridin’ on the coat tails of MY circumstance.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

When is the last time white people rioted in America?

Srs question.

Of course these people were rioting for something really important ... QTwk-2fKT7o

[Undertoad]

Nobody actually burned their own house, right? I'm everyone who was burning, was burning other people's houses.

[xoxoxoBruce]

It becomes their neighborhood when they have a stake in it. I'm betting the rioters own no property, no business, no stake.

[henry quirk]

"Nobody actually burned their own house, right?"

"It becomes their neighborhood when they have a stake in it."

In the context of this thread (my anecdote and Baltimore): 'home' is synonymous with 'town' and 'community'.

As for having a stake: again, 'to burn out the pharmacy where you get your medicines, the grocery where you get your food, and the old folks' homes where your granny lives is craziness.'

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

As for having a stake: again, 'to burn out the pharmacy where you get your medicines, the grocery where you get your food, and the old folks' homes where your granny lives is craziness.'

There's 3 drugstores on every block, but no groceries, you gotta go to whitey's neighborhood for food. Who the fuck can afford to put grannie in a home, she'll die on the sofa in the parlor, where she's been for years.

[tw]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

As for having a stake: again, 'to burn out the pharmacy where you get your medicines, the grocery where you get your food, and the old folks' homes where your granny lives is craziness.'

You have assumed all adults act like adults. A substancial number are still children. So you see them buying miracle herbs at the health food stores, smoking cigarettes to increase health, and actually believing Saddam had WMDs only because that was the first thing they were told - without any facts or numbers.

Many if not most adults still make decisions like children - based in their feelings - reality (or considering the consequences) be damned. These adults live for the moment - like a child.

[henry quirk]

"You have assumed all adults act like adults."

Yeah, as I say above: 'my expectations are, I suppose, unrealistic.'

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

“Should that be interpreted that it is OK to settle grievances against law enforcement,
so long as only the jails, the police stations, cop cars, or local cop's personal houses... are torched ?”

You can interpret as you like…what I say is:
if you have a beef, take it up with the one who has insulted or damaged you,
not with innocent folks and certainly not by doing self-injury
(and, mebbe, if you aren't party to the insult or injury you ought to just butt the fuck out).

Again, you are changing the basic issue of this thread...

How do you, HQ, settle your "beef" with this neighbor cop
who is "the one who has insulted or damaged you" ?
So far, you have only proposed "mebbe" setting his house on fire
(with him in it).

I posit to you that you can't.
... not without some way of engaging others who "aren't party to the insult or injury",
or relying on laws/rules of society which you usually disdain.

[henry quirk]

Lamp,

What it is about being a cop that insulates him or her from a bullet to the head?

What is about being a cop that insulates his or her house from burning?

Nuthin' and nuthin'.

I suspect your respect for (or fear of) law enforcers has you thinkin' they're better, bigger, smarter, stronger, than they are.

Cops are just people.

Just ask the families and friends of cops killed on, and off, duty.

And: I'm not the one "changing the basic issue of (my) thread". Go back to my first post, read what follows from others, point (and wag) your finger at them (and yourself).

[henry quirk]

Bruce, can you post where you got this information ("3 drugstores on every block, but no groceries")?

And: it ain't an old folks home, but a Senior Center got wasted, ya know, where granny goes for bingo.

[Undertoad]

it's quite amazing henry that you have granted immediate collectivist responsibility to a group of people to the point where their interests are described in ownership terms ("their" house, "their" pharmacy).

~ but you yourself find collective responsibility abhorrent ~

in fact if "your" pharmacy was burning and the fire could be put out with your own water you would say you had no interest in the situation and it is not your business and they should manage their own affairs

[xoxoxoBruce]

Baltimore... Molotov cocktails?