Sycamore's Interactive War Diary - Page 2

elSicomoro · 03-23-2003, 04:50 AM

In this Quality Images thread, UT posted a photo of a group of naked people forming the word "PEACE" with their bodies.

It was done by a UK group called Bare Witness, "Naked Protest for Peace" as their website says. You can buy a t-shirt with the PEACE photo for $15.66 US (£10 UK).

The above photo came from the Bare Witness site: It's a group of people forming a dove on Lake Superior. A larger version of the photo is available on the Bare Witness site. Apparently, as the folks were doing this, they were being heckled by people on snowmobiles.

And sorry, folks...they're not naked.

elSicomoro · 03-23-2003, 10:56 PM

When I heard about the Al-jazeera footage this morning, I headed over to their site. As of early this afternoon, they had only posted pics of dead Iraqi civilians. I suspect that they have posted the POW footage now though...their site is overwhelmed with traffic. I can't get to it.

Al-Jazeera is apparently justifying showing the footage by saying that the US showed photos of the captured Taliban in Afghanistan. Great...are we going to get into a shit-flinging fight over "illegal combatants" again? Perhaps I should read up on US policy and the Geneva Convention.

Did anyone see the President on TV this afternoon? Did you see how grey his hair has gotten since he became president? Just like Clinton. Shit, I couldn't be president...I don't like grey hair.

From the BBC: Kuwaitis talk about Iraq and the United States. Also, a look at the history of Britain's relationship with Iraq.

elSicomoro · 03-23-2003, 11:13 PM

WARNING...GRAPHIC

Dead US soldiers (in Arabic--I can't get Ajeeb to do the translation right now)

slang · 03-25-2003, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sycamore
Shit, I couldn't be president...I don't like grey hair.

All the world leaders would be snickering at you with *RED* hair rufus.

BTW, the pow footage has only been out for a day or two and I'm burned out from it already. Where is the footage of the 3000 pows in US custody?

elSicomoro · 03-25-2003, 07:57 PM

Did anyone see Michael Moore's Oscar speech Sunday night?

From the San Francisco Chronicle (note the bolded area):

"We live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man who's sending us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the fiction of orange alerts," Moore said.

I like Michael Moore...I agree with a lot of what he says.

But what the fuck was that first part about?

Newsflash to the bitter: Bush won. It's over. He won fair and square, under the conditions asked for by Gore. Bush got the most electoral votes. End of story. If you don't like it, vote him out next November.

Did you all know that Flipper is serving the US military proudly? God bless him!

With the pre-war talk of offering Saddam Hussein exile, CBC presents various leaders that have fled into exile. Surprising omissions: The Shah of Iran, Mobutu Sese Seko, Baby Doc. Interesting tidbit: Idi Amin is living happily in Saudi Arabia.

Uday Hussein a possible murderer? Liars! If indeed true, it's horrible, yet not surprising.

Talk radio host Michael Smerconish wrote an article in the Philadelphia Daily News on Friday, arguing that we should not be protesting against war b/c of its possible effects on the troops. Read the article.

I don't mind Smerconish sometimes, but other times, he just hits that crack pipe a bit too hard.

People have the right to protest, for freedom of speech is protected by the First Amendment. Unless people have been living under rocks, it's been well-noted for some time that a war would not be favored by some of the population. Those going to battle most likely knew this. And with all the embedded press, I'm sure those soldiers now know that recent polls show strong support for the war. Furthermore, I think we learned a valuable lesson from Vietnam, and I don't honestly think we would treat Gulf War vets as we did Vietnam vets (if unsuccessful).

Lastly, Al-Jazeera has created a small English-language site. My recommendation: use ajeeb.com to translate the Arabic version.

elSicomoro · 03-25-2003, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slang
All the world leaders would be snickering at you with *RED* hair roofus.

It's only obvious in the light...but at least there's no grey hair.

slang · 03-25-2003, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sycamore

It's only obvious in the light...but at least there's no grey hair.

But the nosering, that's obvious, right?

Undertoad · 03-25-2003, 08:26 PM

I'm amazed that you have a higher tolerance level of (Philly talk radio guy) Smerc than I do. I think the guy's an ass.

wolf · 03-26-2003, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by slang
All the world leaders would be snickering at you with *RED* hair rufus.

Wow ... dissed Syc and used Latin to do it.

Man, that turns me on.

(in a "wow, Tish, you spoke French" kind of way, except, of course, we're boycotting France right now.)

Quote:

Where is the footage of the 3000 pows in US custody?

Well ... there's two major players in this game, one of whom pays attention to the stuff in the Geneva Convention, and one that doesn't ....

Griff · 03-26-2003, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sycamore

Newsflash to the bitter: Bush won. It's over. He won fair and square, under the conditions asked for by Gore. Bush got the most electoral votes. End of story. If you don't like it, vote him out next November.

Unfortunately, thats the basis of a lot of the Democratic opposition to the war. If Gore were doing it it'd be fine. The Donkeys certainly enjoy warmaking as much as the Elephants, although they prolly would have sought foreign support.

elSicomoro · 03-27-2003, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wolf
Well ... there's two major players in this game, one of whom pays attention to the stuff in the Geneva Convention, and one that doesn't ....

I'm not so sure of that...the one seems to pay attention to it only when it's convenient.

Griff · 03-27-2003, 10:53 AM

It almost sounds like a Clintonism, it all depends on how you define enemy combatant.

warch · 03-27-2003, 02:29 PM

I like hearing the intelligent commentary of Tony Blair. He has persuaded me to have a bit of hope for a positive outcome. Bush and his circle scare me with their brand of morality, fundamental religiosity, and clumsy rationalization abroad and at home.

Undertoad · 03-27-2003, 03:13 PM

Blair is a remarkable speaker and a true leader.

elSicomoro · 03-27-2003, 03:15 PM

*twilight zone moment*

For some reason, the way Shepps said that made him sound like Radar.

doo-doo-doo-doo...

03-23-2003, 10:56 PM	#17
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	When I heard about the Al-jazeera footage this morning, I headed over to their site. As of early this afternoon, they had only posted pics of dead Iraqi civilians. I suspect that they have posted the POW footage now though...their site is overwhelmed with traffic. I can't get to it. Al-Jazeera is apparently justifying showing the footage by saying that the US showed photos of the captured Taliban in Afghanistan. Great...are we going to get into a shit-flinging fight over "illegal combatants" again? Perhaps I should read up on US policy and the Geneva Convention. Did anyone see the President on TV this afternoon? Did you see how grey his hair has gotten since he became president? Just like Clinton. Shit, I couldn't be president...I don't like grey hair. From the BBC: Kuwaitis talk about Iraq and the United States. Also, a look at the history of Britain's relationship with Iraq. Last edited by elSicomoro; 03-23-2003 at 11:22 PM.

03-27-2003, 10:53 AM	#27
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	It almost sounds like a Clintonism, it all depends on how you define enemy combatant. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-23-2003, 04:50 AM	#16
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	In this Quality Images thread, UT posted a photo of a group of naked people forming the word "PEACE" with their bodies. It was done by a UK group called Bare Witness, "Naked Protest for Peace" as their website says. You can buy a t-shirt with the PEACE photo for $15.66 US (£10 UK). The above photo came from the Bare Witness site: It's a group of people forming a dove on Lake Superior. A larger version of the photo is available on the Bare Witness site. Apparently, as the folks were doing this, they were being heckled by people on snowmobiles. And sorry, folks...they're not naked.

03-23-2003, 11:13 PM	#18
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	WARNING...GRAPHIC Dead US soldiers (in Arabic--I can't get Ajeeb to do the translation right now)

03-25-2003, 07:57 PM	#20
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Did anyone see Michael Moore's Oscar speech Sunday night? From the San Francisco Chronicle (note the bolded area): "We live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man who's sending us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the fiction of orange alerts," Moore said. I like Michael Moore...I agree with a lot of what he says. But what the fuck was that first part about? Newsflash to the bitter: Bush won. It's over. He won fair and square, under the conditions asked for by Gore. Bush got the most electoral votes. End of story. If you don't like it, vote him out next November. Did you all know that Flipper is serving the US military proudly? God bless him! With the pre-war talk of offering Saddam Hussein exile, CBC presents various leaders that have fled into exile. Surprising omissions: The Shah of Iran, Mobutu Sese Seko, Baby Doc. Interesting tidbit: Idi Amin is living happily in Saudi Arabia. Uday Hussein a possible murderer? Liars! If indeed true, it's horrible, yet not surprising. Talk radio host Michael Smerconish wrote an article in the Philadelphia Daily News on Friday, arguing that we should not be protesting against war b/c of its possible effects on the troops. Read the article. I don't mind Smerconish sometimes, but other times, he just hits that crack pipe a bit too hard. People have the right to protest, for freedom of speech is protected by the First Amendment. Unless people have been living under rocks, it's been well-noted for some time that a war would not be favored by some of the population. Those going to battle most likely knew this. And with all the embedded press, I'm sure those soldiers now know that recent polls show strong support for the war. Furthermore, I think we learned a valuable lesson from Vietnam, and I don't honestly think we would treat Gulf War vets as we did Vietnam vets (if unsuccessful). Lastly, Al-Jazeera has created a small English-language site. My recommendation: use ajeeb.com to translate the Arabic version.

03-25-2003, 08:26 PM	#23
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I'm amazed that you have a higher tolerance level of (Philly talk radio guy) Smerc than I do. I think the guy's an ass.

03-27-2003, 02:29 PM	#28
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	I like hearing the intelligent commentary of Tony Blair. He has persuaded me to have a bit of hope for a positive outcome. Bush and his circle scare me with their brand of morality, fundamental religiosity, and clumsy rationalization abroad and at home.

03-27-2003, 03:13 PM	#29
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Blair is a remarkable speaker and a true leader.

03-27-2003, 03:15 PM	#30
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	twilight zone moment For some reason, the way Shepps said that made him sound like Radar. doo-doo-doo-doo...

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