Free College for Everyone!

[Clodfobble]

Grades 1-12 plus Kinder = 13?

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by tw

UT, you have been nasty lately for no good reason. In a previous post, I said *Apparently*. That was proof that I said "definitely"? No, You failed to read what was posted. You added a useful fact - as an adult would do. What was once six inspectors is now 80.

I get nasty when you make shit up.

For example, you've just made up the idea that you said "apparently".

What you did say was "Last I read", which would be fine - it's even close to, but not exactly "apparently"; except that you then use that "fact" as a jumping-off point to say "we know".

"We know" is exactly equivalent to "definitely".

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Grades 1-12 plus Kinder = 13?

He must have included hate America year.

[Gravdigr]

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Grades 1-12 plus Kinder = 13?

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

He must have included hate America year.

UPK, K, and 1-12. Full day UPK or Pre-K is being put in place in NYS, fully funded by the state but, for now, optional. The job I left was in an integrated UPK, unfortunately common core addresses Pre-Kindergarten so the needs of children with disabilities are ignored for the common good. One size fits all!

[xoxoxoBruce]

Wonderful, put those kids under government control as soon as possible, so we can get them bitches back to work in the sweatshops.

[Gravdigr]

What could go wrong with a gov't raised child?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Might stop 9 and 10 year old girls from trying to kill their teacher.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I get nasty when you make shit up.

Need we discuss your contempt for honesty by lying about Saddam's WMDs? And doing so for hundreds of posts. Honesty from knowledge was not your strong suite. You continued even after George Jr admitted those WMDs were fictional.

And still nobody attacked you, like a child, for advocating a massacre of 5000 American servicemen. A most contemptable act. And still adults did not direct cheapshots at you when you most deserved them. Please learn from history.

It's just not becoming of you. Posting cheapshot is not what adults do. If a fact is in errror, or in this case posted to promote an update, then an adult corrects the fact. Posting emotions is wasted bandwidth in threads only for adults.

Hopefully you will recall that you once acted adult. And how others reacted when you advocated Mission Accomplished, Abu Ghraid, and other extremists evils. Nobody cheapshotted you when you most deserved it. Because that is what adults do.

If you find a fact in error or in need of updating, then just contribute in a positive manner. Disparaging comments are not what UT once would do.

Accurate was the post:

Last I read, the state only has six inspectors.

What justified so much emotion?

[Undertoad]

And we're done. That's our annual interaction. See you in 2016.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

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Not sure about the US context, but in the UK when we refer to 'free' healthcare, what is actually meant is: free at the point of need. It does not mean 'free' of cost in absolute terms. Someone has to pay for it - whether that is directly, or through taxation, or national insurance.

I suspect that the same meaning should be attached to the use of the word free in America when discussing healthcare, education etc. Nobody is suggesting that the cost of education will disappear - just that the person accessing education will not have to pay for it directly.

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Not sure about the US context, but in the UK when we refer to 'free' healthcare, what is actually meant is: free at the point of need. It does not mean 'free' of cost in absolute terms. Someone has to pay for it - whether that is directly, or through taxation, or national insurance.

I suspect that the same meaning should be attached to the use of the word free in America when discussing healthcare, education etc. Nobody is suggesting that the cost of education will disappear - just that the person accessing education will not have to pay for it directly.

That is exactly what the picture in my post said.

Hence the last panel of the HUMORous post I made (attempted):

I do not think it means what you think means.

[lumberjim]

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

That is exactly what the picture in my post said.

Hence the last panel of the HUMORous post I made (attempted):

I do not think it means what you think means.

I did not realise you made the cartoon :P It's pretty good. That said - it plays on the usual argument against those who agitate for 'free' healthcare/college/birth control etc. That it is not really free. My point is that the people who agitate for 'free' healthcare etc. know this and are assuming that everyone else will understand that 'free' means 'free at the point of need', not 'free of all cost'.

We've had this conversation before Grav - what you posted is political humour - I am making a point about the political angle of that humour.

Or would you prefer I bite my tongue and say nothing when you post stuff, that I would respond to were anybody else to post it?

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Not sure about the US context, but in the UK when we refer to 'free' healthcare, what is actually meant is: free at the point of need. It does not mean 'free' of cost in absolute terms. Someone has to pay for it - whether that is directly, or through taxation, or national insurance.

First thing my grandma would ask, "Who's paying for it."

50% of public education in America was paid for by the states. But then we started going to war for no useful purpose. So a Federal government no longer had money due to massive debts to pay for those wars. Therefore money to the states diminished. Then states stopped contributing to local education.

In order to pay for war, locals now pay increased property taxes and school taxes. Money has to come from somewhere. Rather than address the problem, some extremists wanto to cut costs of things that actually advance America. States and Federal spending on major bridges, highways, and tunnels virtually stopped. We no longer see a new major bridge or tunnel every decade such as in NYC (ie Washington Bridge, Verazano Bridge, etc).

So, in a nation that is wasting treasure for the greater glory of military egos, what happens to money that pays for things that makes America greater? What will pay for this education that is essential for America's innovations in 20 and 40 years from now? Who will pay for it?