Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito Acquitted. - Page 2

footfootfoot · 10-04-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

To be fair 3ft this isn't necessarily about the flaws o fthe Italian justice system as whole. but the conduct of particular parts of that system. By the same token, Texas has recently executed a man who was almost certainly innocent of the crime he was convicted of (Troy davis was he called?).

And in my own country we intermittently have a flurry of people being freed after serving a few years of a sentence having been convicted in an unsafe manner.

It seems that the British tabloids created a bunch of lurid fantasies out of whole cloth that then grew legs and ran. I don't really think that helped her case at all.

DanaC · 10-04-2011, 01:48 PM

Lurid fantasy is what we do best...

Sundae · 10-04-2011, 02:28 PM

The tabloids today referred to her as simply "Foxy" in their headlines. As in Foxy Knoxy in case your papers don't go for that sobriquet.

Then again, they call Madonna "Madge" as in short for Majesty, and it really got up her nose when she lived here. So they're not all bad.

'Cept those owned by the Dirty Digger of course.

footfootfoot · 10-04-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Lurid fantasy is what we do best...

writing them and inspiring them, no doubt.

Trilby · 10-04-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae

... they call Madonna "Madge" as in short for Majesty, and it really got up her nose when she lived here.

Loved the Simpson's episode where Homer is forced to take Madge back to the States in return for the Queen's not prosecuting him for rear-ending her!

HA!

Nirvana · 10-04-2011, 04:33 PM

Never thought they were guilty. I find the Italian justice system very scary. They can hold anyone in jail for up to a year without charging them with a crime. Piss off the wrong cop and ....

I do like that the case is tried and all evidence is allowed to be re presented...must be necessary if they botch their investigations as routinely as they have this one..

tw · 10-04-2011, 07:31 PM

Amanda Knox is no different than outright lies that accused Saddam of 11 September, the obviously mythical WMDs, a victory in Afghanistan in 2003 that was really a surrender, Pond's Age Defying Cream, Listerine, Danon Yogurt's digitalis rectalitis for better digestion, plug-in surge protectors, fear of marijuana, smoke cigarettes to increase health, evil Arabs on mythical ‘sacred ground’ in Lower Manhattan, Gulf of Tonkin, diet soda, and even the new Daylight Savings Time. In every case, without exception, the myth was widely believed because so many entertain their emotions. Never learn how to think logically.

Most people are so uneducated as to believe what they are told to believe. Hype in Hitler's Rallies proved that Hitler was good for Germany. Gulf of Tonkin even 'proved' that 50,000 murdered American soldiers in Vietnam was good.

My father so loved advertising. Fun was to manipulate so many adults who still think like children. Who never achieve all levels of mental development.

In every case, facts found in comprehensive studies proved soundbytes were only brainwashing. Ie Pentagon Papers. But most only hear soundbytes. Cannot do what is necessary to be logical. So many even denied the Pentagon Papers due to their educational development.

Those educated in adolescent development and Epistemology understand that a child must achieve postskeptical rationalism to separate emotions (biases) from facts. Early adolescents achieve a mental ability called dogmatism or skepticism. This is when the adolescents learn facts have multiple interpretations. But then many adolescents only grasp one perspective; do ‘black and white’ thinking. Become either dogmatists or skeptics. We watch many who know what the Tea Party tells them to believe despite other more valid interpretations - dogmatists. Or knew the world was going to end earlier in the year. Others will even deny the Holocaust or Moon landing - skeptics. As noted by Rice in his book, "many people never outgrow this stage of reasoning." More than we want to believe.

Postskeptical rationalization is when absolute certainty, based in emotions, is replaced by learning how to discern hard facts. Research suggests that this mental ability starts with juniors in high school. Others do not begin this thinking process until well into college years. And again, many adults never achieve this ability at all. Many remain dogmatists or skeptics. Never get beyond mental abilities that usually emerge in early teenage years. Are easily manipulated by people such as my father because they never learn how to think. Those are the people who make advertising so much fun.

Does not matter how many years one spends in post graduate studies. An ability to separate hard facts from feelings is never achieved by many who cannot even see the difference between subjective and quantitative thinking.

For example, does power cycling an incandescent bulb cause premature bulb failure? Any layman who does not achieve the fourth level of mental development might quickly assume power cycling causes light bulb failure. Cannot separate a dogmatic conclusion, based only in observation, from logical thought.

Amanda Knox was railroaded by the uneducated. Supposedly, DNA on a knife that proved her guilt was only rye bread. This prosecutor is so dumb as to be awaiting jail time for his actions as a lawyer. Post graduate education does not mean he was educated. He entertained his biases rather then make conclusions from hard facts.

The problem is not just in Italy. In Norfolk VA, six sailors who did not even know one another were accused of gang raping and killing a woman. That conclusion proven by Virginal prosecutors because they railroaded a neighbor into accusing someone. Then used that accusation as reason to invent evidence. And to ignore other facts. Those uneducated lawyers truly believed their conclusions because and again, they never learned how to think logically. How to separate their emotions from facts. Same types also entertained emotions to believe Saddam had WMDs when facts and numbers all said otherwise.

The story of six sailor railroaded by Prosecutors is no different than what happened to Amanda Knox. Six Navy sailors were prosecuted for rape and murder that they could not possibly have done. Facts ignored by the most emotional made that fact obvious. PBS's Frontline (the same news service that made Saddam's WMD myths so obvious in four programs) exposed that railroading in The Confessions.

Yes, I said six. Two of the accused were so obviously innocent that even prosecutors were forced to drop charges. But not until after arresting those two by ignoring hard facts.

Americans who did the same uneducated reasoning also wasted almost 5000 American soldiers in Iraq - for the greater glory of their penis or other sex organs. The source of most thinking when one is so uneducated as to not separate emotions from facts. So many of us never achieve the fourth level of epistemological development - postskeptical rationalism.

A long list of scams exist due to so many uneducated adults. In every topmost example, even facts provided by the manufacturer say the product does not do what most people believe. And still, so many will buy Airborne as a cure to the common cold when the scam is that obvious. Defined as uneducated because some never achieve a fourth level of mental development. Cannot separate their biases from hard facts. Use subjective reasoning (also called junk science) to justify their irrational conclusions.

All are strongly encouraged to view the Frontline piece entitled The Confessions. It also explains why American are now surrendering their jobs to pay for $1 trillion wasted in Mission Accomplished. Many even deny why so many Americans are now suffering reduced living standards. Making them no different from prosecutors in Italy. Explained by epistemology.

classicman · 10-04-2011, 11:23 PM

Bwahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

tw · 10-05-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Bwahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

As usual, he contributes the best he can.

BrianR · 10-05-2011, 10:05 AM

Please take that discussion over to Politics now. Thank you.

tw · 10-05-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianR

Please take that discussion over to Politics now.

The politics forum also does not want him.

classicman · 10-05-2011, 09:06 PM

Its ok tommy. Reread your first sentence and get back to me.
If you do not see the humor in that, then close the coffin and we'll throw the dirt on you tomorrow.

BigV · 10-05-2011, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Amanda Knox is no different than
outright lies that
accused Saddam of 11 September,
the obviously mythical WMDs,
a victory in Afghanistan in 2003 that was really a surrender,
Pond's Age Defying Cream,
Listerine,
Danon Yogurt's digitalis rectalitis for better digestion,
plug-in surge protectors,
fear of marijuana,
smoke cigarettes to increase health,
evil Arabs on mythical ‘sacred ground’ in Lower Manhattan,
Gulf of Tonkin,
diet soda, and even
the new Daylight Savings Time. --snip

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Originally Posted by classicman

Its ok tommy. Reread your first sentence and get back to me.
If you do not see the humor in that, then close the coffin and we'll throw the dirt on you tomorrow.

It was funny, the way he said it. It is also true (except for that Listerine part, I have to check that out, and the diet sodas). Amanda Knox's a "story" cause they can make you pay attention to it. Substance and facts are ... incidental. She's cute, she's a girl, she's "in trouble". Fuck, I had to search to find the boyfriend's name for the flippin thread title, he was practically Mrs Amanda Knox in the first several hits I found. But he's had exactly the same ordeal she has had. Tell me no.

no.

a test. Without scrolling up or peeking, write down the name of the boyfriend. I'll wait.

BigV · 10-05-2011, 11:19 PM

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BigV · 10-05-2011, 11:22 PM

F*ck.

**I** couldn't do it and **I** wrote it in the first place.

My point is that Amanda Knox is a media phenomenon, not especially because of the facts of the case. She's a phenomenon because she's been made into one. Like how Sarah Palin was, for a short but scary time, a vice presidential candidate. For the same reason Ron Paul wasn't the close second place finisher in the Iowa Straw Polls, but instead we got headlines like Michele Bachmann wins with Romney in third place.

It's fucking media hype. tw just said it funny, that's all.

10-04-2011, 02:28 PM	#18
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	The tabloids today referred to her as simply "Foxy" in their headlines. As in Foxy Knoxy in case your papers don't go for that sobriquet. Then again, they call Madonna "Madge" as in short for Majesty, and it really got up her nose when she lived here. So they're not all bad. 'Cept those owned by the Dirty Digger of course. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

10-04-2011, 04:33 PM	#21
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Never thought they were guilty. I find the Italian justice system very scary. They can hold anyone in jail for up to a year without charging them with a crime. Piss off the wrong cop and .... I do like that the case is tried and all evidence is allowed to be re presented...must be necessary if they botch their investigations as routinely as they have this one.. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

10-04-2011, 11:23 PM	#23
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Bwahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-05-2011, 10:05 AM	#25
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Please take that discussion over to Politics now. Thank you. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

10-05-2011, 09:06 PM	#27
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Its ok tommy. Reread your first sentence and get back to me. If you do not see the humor in that, then close the coffin and we'll throw the dirt on you tomorrow. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-04-2011, 07:31 PM	#22
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Amanda Knox is no different than outright lies that accused Saddam of 11 September, the obviously mythical WMDs, a victory in Afghanistan in 2003 that was really a surrender, Pond's Age Defying Cream, Listerine, Danon Yogurt's digitalis rectalitis for better digestion, plug-in surge protectors, fear of marijuana, smoke cigarettes to increase health, evil Arabs on mythical ‘sacred ground’ in Lower Manhattan, Gulf of Tonkin, diet soda, and even the new Daylight Savings Time. In every case, without exception, the myth was widely believed because so many entertain their emotions. Never learn how to think logically. Most people are so uneducated as to believe what they are told to believe. Hype in Hitler's Rallies proved that Hitler was good for Germany. Gulf of Tonkin even 'proved' that 50,000 murdered American soldiers in Vietnam was good. My father so loved advertising. Fun was to manipulate so many adults who still think like children. Who never achieve all levels of mental development. In every case, facts found in comprehensive studies proved soundbytes were only brainwashing. Ie Pentagon Papers. But most only hear soundbytes. Cannot do what is necessary to be logical. So many even denied the Pentagon Papers due to their educational development. Those educated in adolescent development and Epistemology understand that a child must achieve postskeptical rationalism to separate emotions (biases) from facts. Early adolescents achieve a mental ability called dogmatism or skepticism. This is when the adolescents learn facts have multiple interpretations. But then many adolescents only grasp one perspective; do ‘black and white’ thinking. Become either dogmatists or skeptics. We watch many who know what the Tea Party tells them to believe despite other more valid interpretations - dogmatists. Or knew the world was going to end earlier in the year. Others will even deny the Holocaust or Moon landing - skeptics. As noted by Rice in his book, "many people never outgrow this stage of reasoning." More than we want to believe. Postskeptical rationalization is when absolute certainty, based in emotions, is replaced by learning how to discern hard facts. Research suggests that this mental ability starts with juniors in high school. Others do not begin this thinking process until well into college years. And again, many adults never achieve this ability at all. Many remain dogmatists or skeptics. Never get beyond mental abilities that usually emerge in early teenage years. Are easily manipulated by people such as my father because they never learn how to think. Those are the people who make advertising so much fun. Does not matter how many years one spends in post graduate studies. An ability to separate hard facts from feelings is never achieved by many who cannot even see the difference between subjective and quantitative thinking. For example, does power cycling an incandescent bulb cause premature bulb failure? Any layman who does not achieve the fourth level of mental development might quickly assume power cycling causes light bulb failure. Cannot separate a dogmatic conclusion, based only in observation, from logical thought. Amanda Knox was railroaded by the uneducated. Supposedly, DNA on a knife that proved her guilt was only rye bread. This prosecutor is so dumb as to be awaiting jail time for his actions as a lawyer. Post graduate education does not mean he was educated. He entertained his biases rather then make conclusions from hard facts. The problem is not just in Italy. In Norfolk VA, six sailors who did not even know one another were accused of gang raping and killing a woman. That conclusion proven by Virginal prosecutors because they railroaded a neighbor into accusing someone. Then used that accusation as reason to invent evidence. And to ignore other facts. Those uneducated lawyers truly believed their conclusions because and again, they never learned how to think logically. How to separate their emotions from facts. Same types also entertained emotions to believe Saddam had WMDs when facts and numbers all said otherwise. The story of six sailor railroaded by Prosecutors is no different than what happened to Amanda Knox. Six Navy sailors were prosecuted for rape and murder that they could not possibly have done. Facts ignored by the most emotional made that fact obvious. PBS's Frontline (the same news service that made Saddam's WMD myths so obvious in four programs) exposed that railroading in The Confessions. Yes, I said six. Two of the accused were so obviously innocent that even prosecutors were forced to drop charges. But not until after arresting those two by ignoring hard facts. Americans who did the same uneducated reasoning also wasted almost 5000 American soldiers in Iraq - for the greater glory of their penis or other sex organs. The source of most thinking when one is so uneducated as to not separate emotions from facts. So many of us never achieve the fourth level of epistemological development - postskeptical rationalism. A long list of scams exist due to so many uneducated adults. In every topmost example, even facts provided by the manufacturer say the product does not do what most people believe. And still, so many will buy Airborne as a cure to the common cold when the scam is that obvious. Defined as uneducated because some never achieve a fourth level of mental development. Cannot separate their biases from hard facts. Use subjective reasoning (also called junk science) to justify their irrational conclusions. All are strongly encouraged to view the Frontline piece entitled The Confessions. It also explains why American are now surrendering their jobs to pay for $1 trillion wasted in Mission Accomplished. Many even deny why so many Americans are now suffering reduced living standards. Making them no different from prosecutors in Italy. Explained by epistemology.

10-05-2011, 11:19 PM	#29
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	... ... ... __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

10-05-2011, 11:22 PM	#30
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Fck. I* couldn't do it and I wrote it in the first place. My point is that Amanda Knox is a media phenomenon, not especially because of the facts of the case. She's a phenomenon because she's been made into one. Like how Sarah Palin was, for a short but scary time, a vice presidential candidate. For the same reason Ron Paul wasn't the close second place finisher in the Iowa Straw Polls, but instead we got headlines like Michele Bachmann wins with Romney in third place. It's fucking media hype. tw just said it funny, that's all. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

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