Weapons in School: Zero Tolerance - Page 2

monster · 03-27-2011, 12:35 AM

so c'mon. what is and what isn't OK?

monster · 03-27-2011, 12:40 AM

I reviewed the district policy on weapons, and I have to say I'm not impressed by this teacher's interpretation of it.....

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Weapons:
A. Dangerous Weapon. A dangerous weapon shall include a firearm
(including a starter gun) or any device which will or is designed to or may
readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive, any
destructive device or any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas bomb, grenade,
rocket having a propellant charge of more than four (4) ounces, missile having
an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, mine or
similar device; a dagger, dirk, stiletto, knife with a blade over three (3) inches in
length, or pocket knife opened by a mechanical device, an iron bar or brass
knuckles; or, any other weapon as set forth in 18 USC&921. Also, any electronic
device that inflicts or causes pain or suffering is likewise considered a weapon.

B. Other Weapon. Any object or instrument including a replica, facsimile or
look-alike of such object or instrument, the principal use of which is to inflict
injury, physical pain or physical harm. The term “other weapon” shall additionally
include an object or instrument which is not in and of itself a weapon as defined
above, but where the possession or use of same is coupled with an intent by a
student to inflict injury or harm upon another person. Chemical or toxic
substances, e.g., mace, pepper spray, etc., are included in this category.

I don't see where drawing a picture of a gun (which is what my kid did) is a no-no -it may be a replica if you really stretch that, but it isn't an object or implement...

Griff · 03-27-2011, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

a Ricola candy

licorice is a slow lingering death

GunMaster357 · 03-27-2011, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by monster

I reviewed the district policy on weapons, and I have to say I'm not impressed by this teacher's interpretation of it.....

I don't see where drawing a picture of a gun (which is what my kid did) is a no-no -it may be a replica if you really stretch that, but it isn't an object or implement...

Someone in the bureaucracy told the school : "No Weapon Policy". And then they forgot to use one of their own : a brain.

If I had children, I would seriously question the validity of the school's teachings since they're such morons.

footfootfoot · 03-27-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by casimendocina

In the movie About a Boy, the bullies torment the main character by throwing sweets at him.

Whereas the directors of that film tormented me by alternately making me watch hugh grant while trying not to imagine him with that tranny looking hooker, and watching Toni Collette with far too many clothes on.

sexobon · 03-27-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

... Teachers and administration should make judgment calls based on each situation ...

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Originally Posted by monster

so c'mon. what is and what isn't OK?

I agree with glatt on his point. That's why I find it disconcerting that you at first withheld the nature of the alleged offense and you're still withholding the specific circumstances under which it occurred. Why did your child draw a picture of a gun? Since a picture can be worth a thousand words, a picture of a gun can be an historical account, an indicator of violent feelings/intent; or, anything in between. Intent is key to making a determination in such instances. Was the picture appropriate to the academic circumstances (more than just a tangent)? If not, it probably wasn't appropriate to the venue. If so, then perhaps the teacher was promoting a personal agenda rather than an academic climate. There is no line to be drawn between "Other weapon[s]" without knowing the full circumstances of the specific instance in which they're used; because, that's where people's perceptions about them mainly come from.

footfootfoot · 03-27-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon

Why did your child draw a picture of a gun?

because he is a boy.

monster · 03-27-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

because he is a boy.

bingo.

monster · 03-27-2011, 08:07 PM

But the whole thing bout "zero tolerance" is the "why" is irrelevant. Either it's OK or it isn't. I guess because Jack can bring a gun into school to kill Jill, but when caught, claim it was for show and tell. Fine. Guns/People with guns hurt people. I get it. Fake weapons. Well they look like real weapons, they could be used to intimidate. I get it. Lego guns, Sticks like swords, pointed fingers, I sorta get it but I think mostly kids need to be taught to shrug it off if they don't like it. Drawing a picture of gun? HTF is that a threat to the safety of any other student?

footfootfoot · 03-27-2011, 08:09 PM

I has one

(& I is one)

footfootfoot · 03-27-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

Drawing a picture of gun? HTF is that a threat to the safety of any other student?

It could lead to critical thinking and or independent thinking.

BTW, unless the school is private and receives no funding from the government this is in fact a freedom of speech issue. Unless they can show that he is inciting to riot, that drawing is protected speech. They are not allowed to ban that speech unless they are wholly private.

monster · 03-27-2011, 08:26 PM

thanks, I'm headed that way with the teacher. I'm currently awaiting his response on the drawing weapios while studying civil war thing (which they just did...) -he didn't seem to have a problem with pictures of guns then....

I suspect it's really about drawing when he should be doing something else, and it's got to a point where the something else is irrelevant to my kid so he argues that and wins. teacher saves face with "inappropriate subject matter". I could be wrong, but I bet I'm not. That's what you get when you Open School. Sometimes the kids are going to be smarter than the teachers in some respects. In "regular" schooling that is supressed for the "greater good". At Open School, teachers get schooled sometimes

Big Sarge · 03-27-2011, 10:32 PM

Lordy. Ya'll just need to move down south where folks have more common sense about weapons. When my son did a report on the War of Northern Aggression, he gave a musket firing demo with a 9 count load. He also demonstrated fix bayonets

xoxoxoBruce · 03-27-2011, 10:55 PM

The War of Northern Aggression?

I've got news for you, Han shot first.

ZenGum · 03-28-2011, 02:22 AM

Sorry, Sarge, but naming rights go to the winners.

Except "Operation Enduring Freedom". But that isn't a name, it's just

03-27-2011, 12:35 AM	#16
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	so c'mon. what is and what isn't OK? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-27-2011, 08:07 PM	#24
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	But the whole thing bout "zero tolerance" is the "why" is irrelevant. Either it's OK or it isn't. I guess because Jack can bring a gun into school to kill Jill, but when caught, claim it was for show and tell. Fine. Guns/People with guns hurt people. I get it. Fake weapons. Well they look like real weapons, they could be used to intimidate. I get it. Lego guns, Sticks like swords, pointed fingers, I sorta get it but I think mostly kids need to be taught to shrug it off if they don't like it. Drawing a picture of gun? HTF is that a threat to the safety of any other student? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-27-2011, 08:09 PM	#25
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I has one (& I is one) __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

03-27-2011, 08:26 PM	#27
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	thanks, I'm headed that way with the teacher. I'm currently awaiting his response on the drawing weapios while studying civil war thing (which they just did...) -he didn't seem to have a problem with pictures of guns then.... I suspect it's really about drawing when he should be doing something else, and it's got to a point where the something else is irrelevant to my kid so he argues that and wins. teacher saves face with "inappropriate subject matter". I could be wrong, but I bet I'm not. That's what you get when you Open School. Sometimes the kids are going to be smarter than the teachers in some respects. In "regular" schooling that is supressed for the "greater good". At Open School, teachers get schooled sometimes __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-27-2011, 10:32 PM	#28
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Lordy. Ya'll just need to move down south where folks have more common sense about weapons. When my son did a report on the War of Northern Aggression, he gave a musket firing demo with a 9 count load. He also demonstrated fix bayonets __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

03-27-2011, 10:55 PM	#29
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The War of Northern Aggression? I've got news for you, Han shot first. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-28-2011, 02:22 AM	#30
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Sorry, Sarge, but naming rights go to the winners. Except "Operation Enduring Freedom". But that isn't a name, it's just __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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