Question: IE v. Firefox - Page 2

fargon · 09-29-2010, 12:31 PM

Before I got rid of my PC and got my Mac, I ran Google Chrome. It is faster than Firefox.

classicman · 09-29-2010, 12:32 PM

@Flint.
I had so many problems with IE on my last computer that I took UT's and mbpark's advice and went with Firefox. I am NOT in IT and don't understand why or ??? All I know id I've had no probs with Firefox so I stuck with it. I do have a nice shiny new gazillion gig computer now.
Should I go back to IE? Can you explain the difference in layman's terms?

Flint · 09-29-2010, 12:46 PM

The difference is IE works just fine for me, never had any issues, and it does everything I need it to do. Don't know what kind of issues you were having, but in my environment we can't just give up and switch applications when we encounter a problem. 99% of our vendors do not support the "trendy browsers" which means, if you are running the flavor-of-the-month hipster browser on your machine, they won't even talk to you. When it absolutely, positively has to run every time, stick with straight Microsoft and you can't go wrong.

Shawnee123 · 09-29-2010, 12:47 PM

Does this browser make my butt look big?

classicman · 09-29-2010, 12:51 PM

My computer would freeze and it took forever for pages to load. When watching movies or videos they were all jumpy and would start/stop constantly.
I haven't used IE in probably 3-4 years, if not more. Maybe I'll give it another shot.

Undertoad · 09-29-2010, 01:02 PM

"How cute, the developer wrote to web specifications that IE7 failed to implement. And now my retarded IT department is choosing to ignore the specs too - because, for some damn reason, they think the Mac, all smartphones, the majority of tablet computers and every other browser on every other platform will never be used in this enterprise."

IE's share will fall below 50%, probably next month -- despite being bundled -- and at that point, who's the one with a trendy browser religion?

Pete Zicato · 09-29-2010, 01:10 PM

^This^

And IE still has more holes than a colander.

Flint · 09-29-2010, 01:20 PM

That argument will surely go over like hotcakes with any huge coproration such as GE (call them, see how far you get), whose published requirements are IE7. This is a practical matter--IE7 is actually REQUIRED in my environment--not by "retarded" policies but by the vendors.

There is a reason for this. Well, reason(s).

So, IE goes below 50% general use. I'm talking about business, not Facebook.

Flint · 09-29-2010, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

"How cute, the developer wrote to web specifications that will not work on the browser that 50% of the world still uses,
therefore either he is twelve
...

Undertoad · 09-29-2010, 01:31 PM

Well then, GE will be in for a lot of work when the US Gov tells them they have to switch browsers for national security purposes.

Flint · 09-29-2010, 01:32 PM

The government has a lot of great ideas that are not immediately applicable in the real world.

You can't just snap your fingers and make things happen.

Flint · 09-29-2010, 01:39 PM

"I'm sorry, Mr. Undertoad, but we don't have the results of the studies that tell us whether you have cancer or not, because the government told [healthcare IT vendor] that they have to start using the FacebookGoogleFox High-Def SuperBrowser, Widget Factory, and Smartphone Extravaganza as their platform, instead of the previous platform that had been verified through years of product development and testing to be stable with 99.999% uptime. We're sorry. Maybe you have cancer, maybe not."

xoxoxoBruce · 09-29-2010, 01:41 PM

When Firefox becomes king, and becomes the access to the treasury, then firefox becomes the target.

Flint · 09-29-2010, 01:43 PM

The security myth of the "better" browsers/OSs is known as "security through obscurity" and it will diminish as their poularity increases.

Undertoad · 09-29-2010, 02:15 PM

That's kind of a misunderstanding of the term "security through obscurity".

IE is closed source, and is written to Microsoft specs, therefore IE takes a security through obscurity approach.

Firefox is open source and is written to open and independent specs. There is no obscurity at all. You are invited to look at the Firefox code to see whether you can find any security problems. And you are invited to fix them as well. Firefox bets that there are more "fixers" than "exploiters" in the world. So far it has proven out well.

Meanwhile Flint you have settled on technology from October 18, 2006, the last IE7 release, and is it even supported by Microsoft as a platform? Have you guys considered the end of life product cycle on it? If you run into something serious and call Microsoft, will they tell you to shove it? Will they tell GE to shove it? Good luck with all that, I guess.

09-29-2010, 12:31 PM	#16
fargon Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: La Crosse, WI Posts: 8,924	Before I got rid of my PC and got my Mac, I ran Google Chrome. It is faster than Firefox. __________________ Annoy the ones that ignore you!!! I live a blessed life I Love my Country, I Fear the Government!!! Heavily medicated for the good of mankind.

09-29-2010, 12:32 PM	#17
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	@Flint. I had so many problems with IE on my last computer that I took UT's and mbpark's advice and went with Firefox. I am NOT in IT and don't understand why or ??? All I know id I've had no probs with Firefox so I stuck with it. I do have a nice shiny new gazillion gig computer now. Should I go back to IE? Can you explain the difference in layman's terms? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-29-2010, 12:46 PM	#18
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	The difference is IE works just fine for me, never had any issues, and it does everything I need it to do. Don't know what kind of issues you were having, but in my environment we can't just give up and switch applications when we encounter a problem. 99% of our vendors do not support the "trendy browsers" which means, if you are running the flavor-of-the-month hipster browser on your machine, they won't even talk to you. When it absolutely, positively has to run every time, stick with straight Microsoft and you can't go wrong. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

09-29-2010, 12:47 PM	#19
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Does this browser make my butt look big? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

09-29-2010, 12:51 PM	#20
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	My computer would freeze and it took forever for pages to load. When watching movies or videos they were all jumpy and would start/stop constantly. I haven't used IE in probably 3-4 years, if not more. Maybe I'll give it another shot. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-29-2010, 01:02 PM	#21
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	"How cute, the developer wrote to web specifications that IE7 failed to implement. And now my retarded IT department is choosing to ignore the specs too - because, for some damn reason, they think the Mac, all smartphones, the majority of tablet computers and every other browser on every other platform will never be used in this enterprise." IE's share will fall below 50%, probably next month -- despite being bundled -- and at that point, who's the one with a trendy browser religion?

09-29-2010, 01:10 PM	#22
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	^This^ And IE still has more holes than a colander. __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

09-29-2010, 01:20 PM	#23
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	That argument will surely go over like hotcakes with any huge coproration such as GE (call them, see how far you get), whose published requirements are IE7. This is a practical matter--IE7 is actually REQUIRED in my environment--not by "retarded" policies but by the vendors. There is a reason for this. Well, reason(s). So, IE goes below 50% general use. I'm talking about business, not Facebook. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio** Last edited by Flint; 09-29-2010 at 01:25 PM.

09-29-2010, 01:31 PM	#25
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Well then, GE will be in for a lot of work when the US Gov tells them they have to switch browsers for national security purposes.

09-29-2010, 01:32 PM	#26
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	The government has a lot of great ideas that are not immediately applicable in the real world. You can't just snap your fingers and make things happen. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

09-29-2010, 01:39 PM	#27
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	"I'm sorry, Mr. Undertoad, but we don't have the results of the studies that tell us whether you have cancer or not, because the government told [healthcare IT vendor] that they have to start using the FacebookGoogleFox High-Def SuperBrowser, Widget Factory, and Smartphone Extravaganza as their platform, instead of the previous platform that had been verified through years of product development and testing to be stable with 99.999% uptime. We're sorry. Maybe you have cancer, maybe not." __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

09-29-2010, 01:41 PM	#28
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	When Firefox becomes king, and becomes the access to the treasury, then firefox becomes the target. Attached Images __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-29-2010, 01:43 PM	#29
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	^ what he said ^ The security myth of the "better" browsers/OSs is known as "security through obscurity" and it will diminish as their poularity increases. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

09-29-2010, 02:15 PM	#30
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	That's kind of a misunderstanding of the term "security through obscurity". IE is closed source, and is written to Microsoft specs, therefore IE takes a security through obscurity approach. Firefox is open source and is written to open and independent specs. There is no obscurity at all. You are invited to look at the Firefox code to see whether you can find any security problems. And you are invited to fix them as well. Firefox bets that there are more "fixers" than "exploiters" in the world. So far it has proven out well. Meanwhile Flint you have settled on technology from October 18, 2006, the last IE7 release, and is it even supported by Microsoft as a platform? Have you guys considered the end of life product cycle on it? If you run into something serious and call Microsoft, will they tell you to shove it? Will they tell GE to shove it? Good luck with all that, I guess.

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