Beef. . . Its What's For Dinner! - Page 2

TheMercenary · 06-04-2010, 09:06 AM

I had a great steak last night. I thank the beef industry.

HungLikeJesus · 06-04-2010, 01:40 PM

Clone thread:
Beer...It's What's for Dinner!

Nirvana · 06-04-2010, 09:15 PM

Its not a clone thread if its in the same thread!

HungLikeJesus · 06-04-2010, 09:19 PM

That's the lazy man's clone.

Aliantha · 06-04-2010, 09:40 PM

It's very common for grass fed beef to be 'topped off' either in a feed lot or the holding yards for a couple of weeks before being sent to slaughter.

Antibiotics are used in Australia in exactly the way Nirvana suggests it's used at her farm. In the case of illness which is unable to be treated without drugs. There is a certain level of residue allowable in the beef that is sent to market but obviously, not every beast has been sick, so the actual proportion of beef with a residual drug level compared to that with none is negligable. In simple terms, it's likely that we've all eaten meat which has a residue however, it wouldn't constitute anywhere near being a part of every meal or even every meal eaten where beef is involved.

jinx · 06-05-2010, 10:55 AM

PAMTA

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On March 17, 2009, Rep. Slaughter introduced the "Preservation of Antibiotics for Medical Treatment Act" (PAMTA) in the House of Representatives. This critical legislation is designed to ensure that we preserve the effectiveness of antibiotics for the treatment of human diseases.

Antibiotics are an indispensable part of modern medicine, protecting all of us from deadly infections. Unfortunately, over the past several years, the widespread practice of using antibiotics to promote livestock growth and compensate for unsanitary, crowded conditions has led to the emergence of antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria and other germs, rendering many of our most powerful drugs ineffective. PAMTA will limit the use of antibiotics on our livestock to ensure that we are not inadvertently creating antibiotic- resistant diseases that we can't fight with modern medicine.

According to estimates by the Union of Concerned Scientists, 50 million pounds of antibiotics - nearly 70 percent of all antibiotics sold in the U.S. - have been used in food animals for purposes other than treating disease since PAMTA was last introduced two years ago.

SamIam · 06-05-2010, 11:54 AM

I have a beef horror story to tell. Far western Colorado was once the site of a lot of uranium production. When they had gotten all the ore they could, the big mining companies pulled out leaving behind radioactive tailings and just a big nasty mess in general. The feds stepped in to do what cleaning up they could. Everywhere there are settling ponds that are fenced off with big warning signs. Ranchers still graze their cattle in these areas. One day I was driving around there just taking in the general distruction. I came across about 10 cattle who had trampled the fence down around around one of these settling ponds. They were drinking away, obviously not having read the sign. It put me off beef for months!

Beef - its what glows in the dark!

spudcon · 06-05-2010, 05:01 PM

That's why we should have Universal Reading programs on all cattle ranches.

lumberjim · 06-05-2010, 05:23 PM

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Rep. Slaughter

LOL

Nirvana · 06-05-2010, 05:24 PM

Gross misstatement hyperbole.

Quote:

nearly 70 percent of all antibiotics sold in the U.S. - have been used in food animals for purposes other than treating disease

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They were drinking away, obviously not having read the sign. It put me off beef for months!

I just love scare tactic fairy tales!

I can't wait for the other stories. Where is my popcorn

Nirvana · 06-05-2010, 05:28 PM

Union of Concerned Scientists wtf are these people? I am with the Union of concerned beef eaters LMAO!

Nirvana · 06-05-2010, 06:13 PM

Is there proof that using antibiotics in meat animals is the culprit for any disease? Anyone afraid of beef ? Don't eat it but don't use fairy tales to scare others away from a perfectly good and safe protein source. Not all cows are in the food chain. No cows [which are older cattle that have had calves] are in feedlots. Old cows old bulls are made into hamburger, luncheon meat or hotdogs. These cattle do not grade choice or even select.

Most of the antibiotics given are given to dairy cows for mastitis after they calve. Their milk is not suitable for human consumption but it is fed back to their own and other calves. After they are well they are still milked and then you are drinking that product.

No one really cares what other people eat unless they don't want them to eat it or they want to explain whatever physically ails them. All the beef in this country is federally inspected before and after its processed. Read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair if you want to read about what people ate 100 years ago. Antibiotics are expensive most would not want to use them on food animals unless they thought it was necessary.

If you are afraid of antibiotic- resistant diseases tell Drs to stop over prescribing it for humans. Don't think Drs over prescribe drugs?

Then you are not watching television or reading the pamphlets laying all over the Drs office or in the backs of magazines If people want to be healthy they should quit taking the 10 different medications they are prescribed and eat a healthy diet and get off their fat asses and exercise.[please disregard if you have a genetic or acquired disease] [ Acid reflux for example is not a disease it is a symptom of eating the wrong foods or drinking the wrong things.

You can get a drug for acid reflux then to counteract the drug you take for indigestion they give you something else. If you can't sleep you get a drug to sleep and then one to wake up and one to feel better about yourself and one to stop the voices talking in your head probably from using acid reflux pills in the first place.

Tardive Dyskenisia is a common side effect of certain drugs! It may or may not be permanent. That is in a drug ad? WhoTF would take that drug? Lots of people and then they want to blame the food industry for their problems.

I heard this as a child. It describes how so many live nowadays just change the critters to drugs.

There was an old lady who swallowed a fly.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly,
I guess she'll die.

There was an old lady who swallowed a spider,
that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her.
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly.
I guess she'll die.

There was an old lady who swallowed a bird.
How absurd to swallow a bird.
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her.
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly.
I guess she'll die.

There was an old lady who swallowed a cat.
Imagine that, she swallowed a cat.
She swallowed the cat to catch the bird.
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her.
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly.
I guess she'll die.

There was an old lady who swallowed a dog.
My what a hog, to swallow a dog.
She swallowed the dog to catch the cat.
She swallowed the cat, to catch the bird,
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her.
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly.
I guess she'll die.

There was an old lady who swallowed a cow.
I don't know how she swallowed a cow.
She swallowed the cow to catch the dog.
She swallowed the dog, to catch the cat.
She swallowed the cat to catch the bird.
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her.
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly
I guess she'll die.

I know an old lady who swallowed a horse...

She's dead of course!

But don't eat beef it may have antibiotic residue

jinx · 06-05-2010, 06:28 PM

Yes doctors should prescribe fewer antibiotics, and people should take them correctly when they actually need them (let me brag about my 10 year old who has NEVER taken an antibiotic, and my 12 year old that's been on them twice, once for a surgical infection, once for an eye infection). Also, Feedlots should not add them to cattle feed and water to promote growth like they currently do but will hopefully soon be unable to..

I'm not on a bunch of prescriptions (birth control only), I'm not overweight, I don't drink cow milk, I eat a mostly plant based diet, and I don't get heartburn. I enjoy steak, just not very often.

Nirvana · 06-05-2010, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Feedlots should not add them to cattle feed and water to promote growth like they currently do but will hopefully soon be unable to..

Jinx you don't buy into the have to have a drug to be normal. I understand why you may have an aversion.
This above is misinformation, antibiotics are not given to promote the growth of an animal. If antibiotics are given at feedlots they are given to combat shipping fever and pneumonia which occurs because young cattle weaned off their mothers are taken by trucks with unrelated animals to an unknown place. Stress is the trigger for most disease.

Becoming too expensive to raise food animals is the goal of the Animal Rights activists. Pretty soon you won't be able to have pets or eat meat. Frightening the public with misinformation and hyperbole is the ARs weapon of choice.

jinx · 06-05-2010, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirvana

This above is misinformation, antibiotics are not given to promote the growth of an animal.

Why does the USDA think they are?

06-04-2010, 01:40 PM	#17
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06-04-2010, 09:15 PM	#18
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06-04-2010, 09:19 PM	#19
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06-04-2010, 09:40 PM	#20
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It's very common for grass fed beef to be 'topped off' either in a feed lot or the holding yards for a couple of weeks before being sent to slaughter. Antibiotics are used in Australia in exactly the way Nirvana suggests it's used at her farm. In the case of illness which is unable to be treated without drugs. There is a certain level of residue allowable in the beef that is sent to market but obviously, not every beast has been sick, so the actual proportion of beef with a residual drug level compared to that with none is negligable. In simple terms, it's likely that we've all eaten meat which has a residue however, it wouldn't constitute anywhere near being a part of every meal or even every meal eaten where beef is involved. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-05-2010, 05:01 PM	#23
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	That's why we should have Universal Reading programs on all cattle ranches. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

06-04-2010, 09:06 AM	#16
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I had a great steak last night. I thank the beef industry.

06-05-2010, 11:54 AM	#22
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	I have a beef horror story to tell. Far western Colorado was once the site of a lot of uranium production. When they had gotten all the ore they could, the big mining companies pulled out leaving behind radioactive tailings and just a big nasty mess in general. The feds stepped in to do what cleaning up they could. Everywhere there are settling ponds that are fenced off with big warning signs. Ranchers still graze their cattle in these areas. One day I was driving around there just taking in the general distruction. I came across about 10 cattle who had trampled the fence down around around one of these settling ponds. They were drinking away, obviously not having read the sign. It put me off beef for months! Beef - its what glows in the dark!

06-05-2010, 05:28 PM	#26
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Union of Concerned Scientists wtf are these people? I am with the Union of concerned beef eaters LMAO! __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

06-05-2010, 06:13 PM	#27
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Is there proof that using antibiotics in meat animals is the culprit for any disease? Anyone afraid of beef ? Don't eat it but don't use fairy tales to scare others away from a perfectly good and safe protein source. Not all cows are in the food chain. No cows [which are older cattle that have had calves] are in feedlots. Old cows old bulls are made into hamburger, luncheon meat or hotdogs. These cattle do not grade choice or even select. Most of the antibiotics given are given to dairy cows for mastitis after they calve. Their milk is not suitable for human consumption but it is fed back to their own and other calves. After they are well they are still milked and then you are drinking that product. No one really cares what other people eat unless they don't want them to eat it or they want to explain whatever physically ails them. All the beef in this country is federally inspected before and after its processed. Read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair if you want to read about what people ate 100 years ago. Antibiotics are expensive most would not want to use them on food animals unless they thought it was necessary. If you are afraid of antibiotic- resistant diseases tell Drs to stop over prescribing it for humans. Don't think Drs over prescribe drugs? Then you are not watching television or reading the pamphlets laying all over the Drs office or in the backs of magazines If people want to be healthy they should quit taking the 10 different medications they are prescribed and eat a healthy diet and get off their fat asses and exercise.[please disregard if you have a genetic or acquired disease] [ Acid reflux for example is not a disease it is a symptom of eating the wrong foods or drinking the wrong things. You can get a drug for acid reflux then to counteract the drug you take for indigestion they give you something else. If you can't sleep you get a drug to sleep and then one to wake up and one to feel better about yourself and one to stop the voices talking in your head probably from using acid reflux pills in the first place. Tardive Dyskenisia is a common side effect of certain drugs! It may or may not be permanent. That is in a drug ad? WhoTF would take that drug? Lots of people and then they want to blame the food industry for their problems. I heard this as a child. It describes how so many live nowadays just change the critters to drugs. There was an old lady who swallowed a fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly, I guess she'll die. There was an old lady who swallowed a spider, that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her. She swallowed the spider to catch the fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly. I guess she'll die. There was an old lady who swallowed a bird. How absurd to swallow a bird. She swallowed the bird to catch the spider, that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her. She swallowed the spider to catch the fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly. I guess she'll die. There was an old lady who swallowed a cat. Imagine that, she swallowed a cat. She swallowed the cat to catch the bird. She swallowed the bird to catch the spider, that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her. She swallowed the spider to catch the fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly. I guess she'll die. There was an old lady who swallowed a dog. My what a hog, to swallow a dog. She swallowed the dog to catch the cat. She swallowed the cat, to catch the bird, She swallowed the bird to catch the spider, that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her. She swallowed the spider to catch the fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly. I guess she'll die. There was an old lady who swallowed a cow. I don't know how she swallowed a cow. She swallowed the cow to catch the dog. She swallowed the dog, to catch the cat. She swallowed the cat to catch the bird. She swallowed the bird to catch the spider, that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her. She swallowed the spider to catch the fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly I guess she'll die. I know an old lady who swallowed a horse... She's dead of course! But don't eat beef it may have antibiotic residue __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

06-05-2010, 06:28 PM	#28
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Yes doctors should prescribe fewer antibiotics, and people should take them correctly when they actually need them (let me brag about my 10 year old who has NEVER taken an antibiotic, and my 12 year old that's been on them twice, once for a surgical infection, once for an eye infection). Also, Feedlots should not add them to cattle feed and water to promote growth like they currently do but will hopefully soon be unable to.. I'm not on a bunch of prescriptions (birth control only), I'm not overweight, I don't drink cow milk, I eat a mostly plant based diet, and I don't get heartburn. I enjoy steak, just not very often. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

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