Jackson Death: How do you feel about it? - Page 2

Clodfobble · 06-25-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted

he snapped and decided he'd be a child forever,

If you've ever listened to the radio program Lovelines, Dr. Drew has said specifically that psychological maturation stops at the age the child was molested. I've heard him take calls and predict with frightening accuracy A.) that the caller was molested, and B.) at precisely what age.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-26-2009, 12:02 AM

I guess we'll never get to see his tit at the Superbowl, now.

lumberjim · 06-26-2009, 12:27 AM

I was surprised. had a really busy day today, and heard about it at around 6pm.

i am NOT a fan....but still.....it IS a bummer. it's like ......it's like, in my memory, he represents a period of my childhood.....but not one i identified with....one i loathed. as a Jr High kid, I HATED him. all the sycophantic minions that adored him made me ill. the height of his fame coincided with my darkest Black Sabbath/Ozzy/Metal Phase.

I grew out of that, and have recently developed a certain appreciation for the talent that he surely possessed....

And now he's gone. It's like some one else defeated your former worst enemy. Like somebody dumped your ex wife.

and yet....eh, fuck it.

Griff · 06-26-2009, 05:58 AM

I went with other. I understand his music's draw but there wasn't anything he did after childhood that particularly resonated with me. My gut reaction was one less abuser in the world. I see the effects of child abuse every day at work but as noted he was a victim as well. Bottom line it was an early end to a sad life, unfortunately the abuse doesn't stop with him. Lil' Pete had the best line, "Good riddance, God rest his soul."

Shawnee123 · 06-26-2009, 05:58 AM

I know a large portion of folks think he was guilty. I don't know. I really don't. For one thing, I've always wondered about the parents who allowed sleepovers when his urges, for want of a better word, were in question. That seems suspicious to me, not because of that starstruck mentality, but were there almost hopes for unpleasantries which could later bring large cash settlements? More specifically, did abuses actually occur? Signs point to yes, but I don't convict in my head based on what I hear in my little corner of the world.

Regardless, when I see old video of Michael when he was a little kid, belting out I'll Be There, I am just floored at his talent. Thriller was released in late 82, and during my freshman year of college in 83, you couldn't go anywhere without hearing it. He was an amazing entertainer, with the pop music and his dancing.

I think it's always sad when a pop culture icon dies. No, I didn't know him, it's not the same as losing a loved one, but part of them was part of our lives.

As was pointed out, I think he had a miserable existence too. It's just sad.

DanaC · 06-26-2009, 06:23 AM

I wasn't into his music either, and can't say his death has exactly rocke dmy world, but ... yeah, it is always sad when an icon dies. There are one or two fond childhood memories that I woldnt have had he not been around: I'm thinking in particular of staying up late the night they aired the Thriller video for the first time over here. That kind of thing stays with you.

Sad chap all in all. A walking tragedy.

glatt · 06-26-2009, 07:48 AM

I was shocked, SHOCKED!, when I turned on the tv at like 8:30 and they had a teaser about an upcoming special for Farrah, which I knew about, and Michael Jackson. Then they came back to the live coverage at the hospital.

I never owned any of his music, except the duets he did on McCartney's Pipes of Peace album. I wasn't a fan, but his music was everywhere and was catchy. So I know most of it note for note. He had a hell of a lot of talent. When I hear his more popular stuff now on the radio, or wherever, I like it.

The dude was a freak. I never really thought he was guilty of being an abuser. None of the charges ever stuck, and his civil payoffs were probably just to make the accusations go away. But it's very possible I'm wrong.

I don't care that he's dead. It's just shocking.

Alluvial · 06-26-2009, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster

Than you were? Did you find a cure? For aging?

Hahahaha!

I blame senility.

classicman · 06-26-2009, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted

trying to change his appearance to be something other than how he was born.

It was reported (FWIW) that he may have been trying to change his appearance from looking more like his father whom he despised. Does the reason someone has 500000000 facial plastic surgeries really matter? Guess not, but I just thought I'd throw it out there.

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I've always wondered about the parents who allowed sleepovers. That seems suspicious to me, ~snip~ but were there almost hopes for unpleasantries which could later bring large cash settlements?

I am just floored at his talent. He was an amazing entertainer.
It's just sad.

Spot on! great post.

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Originally Posted by glatt

his civil payoffs were probably just to make the accusations go away. But it's very possible I'm wrong.

Thats about where I am with this. I was glued to the tv for about an hour switching channels ... then I realized he was just another torn soul who, hopefully, is finally at peace.

dar512 · 06-26-2009, 09:01 AM

I think it's sad that he didn't get help when he needed it. I wonder if his siblings did anything to get him some counseling.

classicman · 06-26-2009, 09:08 AM

The guy said that the Anna Nicole Smith situation was nothing compared to this. I was shocked that someone from MJ's "inner circle" came out with this the very same day he died.

TheMercenary · 06-26-2009, 09:08 AM

I grew up listening to his music. He went from icon to traggic circus clown. I am quite surprised he lasted this long. It has been a long time coming.

morethanpretty · 06-26-2009, 09:12 AM

I saw a special on him a few years ago, I think it was 20/20. I remember all the family members they interviewed that there was ever any abuse, or anything wrong with MJ. I also remember one point were the interviewer (barbara walters mebbe) and him were in front of a mirror, he was all distressed because he didn't want to look at himself.
He lived a very sad life.

Kitsune · 06-26-2009, 09:46 AM

Wasn't into his music, so I don't feel much impact.

Annoyed that the "news" is going to ignore important world events for the next 96 hours and is pretty much going to be showing nothing but tributes and inane interviews with his crying fanbase. Last night I watched as no less than a dozen fully grown men stared slack-jawed for several hours at the TV above the bar showing looping cellphone camera footage of the ambulance pulling away. Even the scrolling 9/11 ticker at the bottom of the screen had aborted normal functions to switch into Celebrity Death Mode.

CNN continues to earn #CNNFail.

Trilby · 06-26-2009, 10:32 AM

don't really care.

I was gutted by the death of Nicholas Hughes.

ETA-- now they're saying MJ got a shot of Demerol at noon and it was "too much," - he got a daily shot of Demerol it seems. Was on lots of drugs...autopsy will out.

View Poll Results: Jackson's Death: How do you feel about it?
Gutted. it's the day the boogie died	0	0%
Saddened. And his poor children...	14	26.42%
Meh. Didn't know him, wasn't into his music	12	22.64%
Unsurprised. Lifestyle choices like that, bound to happen	13	24.53%
Glad. One less kiddy-fiddler to worry about	2	3.77%
Something else (please explain if you can)	12	22.64%
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

06-26-2009, 12:02 AM	#17
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I guess we'll never get to see his tit at the Superbowl, now. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-26-2009, 12:27 AM	#18
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	I was surprised. had a really busy day today, and heard about it at around 6pm. i am NOT a fan....but still.....it IS a bummer. it's like ......it's like, in my memory, he represents a period of my childhood.....but not one i identified with....one i loathed. as a Jr High kid, I HATED him. all the sycophantic minions that adored him made me ill. the height of his fame coincided with my darkest Black Sabbath/Ozzy/Metal Phase. I grew out of that, and have recently developed a certain appreciation for the talent that he surely possessed.... And now he's gone. It's like some one else defeated your former worst enemy. Like somebody dumped your ex wife. and yet....eh, fuck it. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

06-26-2009, 05:58 AM	#19
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I went with other. I understand his music's draw but there wasn't anything he did after childhood that particularly resonated with me. My gut reaction was one less abuser in the world. I see the effects of child abuse every day at work but as noted he was a victim as well. Bottom line it was an early end to a sad life, unfortunately the abuse doesn't stop with him. Lil' Pete had the best line, "Good riddance, God rest his soul." __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-26-2009, 05:58 AM	#20
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I know a large portion of folks think he was guilty. I don't know. I really don't. For one thing, I've always wondered about the parents who allowed sleepovers when his urges, for want of a better word, were in question. That seems suspicious to me, not because of that starstruck mentality, but were there almost hopes for unpleasantries which could later bring large cash settlements? More specifically, did abuses actually occur? Signs point to yes, but I don't convict in my head based on what I hear in my little corner of the world. Regardless, when I see old video of Michael when he was a little kid, belting out I'll Be There, I am just floored at his talent. Thriller was released in late 82, and during my freshman year of college in 83, you couldn't go anywhere without hearing it. He was an amazing entertainer, with the pop music and his dancing. I think it's always sad when a pop culture icon dies. No, I didn't know him, it's not the same as losing a loved one, but part of them was part of our lives. As was pointed out, I think he had a miserable existence too. It's just sad. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

06-26-2009, 07:48 AM	#22
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I was shocked, SHOCKED!, when I turned on the tv at like 8:30 and they had a teaser about an upcoming special for Farrah, which I knew about, and Michael Jackson. Then they came back to the live coverage at the hospital. I never owned any of his music, except the duets he did on McCartney's Pipes of Peace album. I wasn't a fan, but his music was everywhere and was catchy. So I know most of it note for note. He had a hell of a lot of talent. When I hear his more popular stuff now on the radio, or wherever, I like it. The dude was a freak. I never really thought he was guilty of being an abuser. None of the charges ever stuck, and his civil payoffs were probably just to make the accusations go away. But it's very possible I'm wrong. I don't care that he's dead. It's just shocking. Last edited by glatt; 06-26-2009 at 08:07 AM.

06-26-2009, 09:01 AM	#25
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	I think it's sad that he didn't get help when he needed it. I wonder if his siblings did anything to get him some counseling. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

06-26-2009, 09:08 AM	#26
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	The guy said that the Anna Nicole Smith situation was nothing compared to this. I was shocked that someone from MJ's "inner circle" came out with this the very same day he died. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-26-2009, 09:08 AM	#27
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I grew up listening to his music. He went from icon to traggic circus clown. I am quite surprised he lasted this long. It has been a long time coming. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

06-26-2009, 09:12 AM	#28
morethanpretty Thats "Miss Zipper Neck" to you. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: little town (but not the littlest) in texas Posts: 2,957	I saw a special on him a few years ago, I think it was 20/20. I remember all the family members they interviewed that there was ever any abuse, or anything wrong with MJ. I also remember one point were the interviewer (barbara walters mebbe) and him were in front of a mirror, he was all distressed because he didn't want to look at himself. He lived a very sad life. __________________ Addicts may suck dick for coke, but love came up with the idea to put a dick in there to begin with. -Jack O'Brien

06-26-2009, 09:46 AM	#29
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Wasn't into his music, so I don't feel much impact. Annoyed that the "news" is going to ignore important world events for the next 96 hours and is pretty much going to be showing nothing but tributes and inane interviews with his crying fanbase. Last night I watched as no less than a dozen fully grown men stared slack-jawed for several hours at the TV above the bar showing looping cellphone camera footage of the ambulance pulling away. Even the scrolling 9/11 ticker at the bottom of the screen had aborted normal functions to switch into Celebrity Death Mode. CNN continues to earn #CNNFail.

06-26-2009, 10:32 AM	#30
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	don't really care. I was gutted by the death of Nicholas Hughes. ETA-- now they're saying MJ got a shot of Demerol at noon and it was "too much," - he got a daily shot of Demerol it seems. Was on lots of drugs...autopsy will out. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum Last edited by Trilby; 06-26-2009 at 10:45 AM.

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