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be-bop · 06-21-2009, 05:58 PM

I have to admit I'm a tad confused about the whole Gay,Transexual thing,
I'm not meaning to be flippant and I sure she/he has not done this lightly I'm assuming the surgery is major,but I have to ask the question If you're gay then your orientation is towards a person of the same sex. if you change sex then your orentation is towards the opposite sex and you're no longer gay..
So what does that say about being gay because gay people I know have no compulsion to change sex they are happy in their own skin so to speak and sexually attracted to their own sex.
So for twenty years or so whenever she came out she wasn't gay but straight but in the wrong body?
Can't get my head around that at all

TheMercenary · 06-23-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by be-bop

I have to admit I'm a tad confused about the whole Gay,Transexual thing,
I'm not meaning to be flippant and I sure she/he has not done this lightly I'm assuming the surgery is major,but I have to ask the question If you're gay then your orientation is towards a person of the same sex. if you change sex then your orentation is towards the opposite sex and you're no longer gay..
So what does that say about being gay because gay people I know have no compulsion to change sex they are happy in their own skin so to speak and sexually attracted to their own sex.
So for twenty years or so whenever she came out she wasn't gay but straight but in the wrong body?
Can't get my head around that at all

A number of leading experts have stated that, and there have been a few supporting studies, that there is little to none of a a relationship between the association of transgendered people and sexual orientation.

Shawnee123 · 06-21-2009, 06:01 PM

I see what you're saying, be-bop, it does seem weird. It's the ultimate in ambiguity.

BrianR · 06-21-2009, 07:35 PM

Be-bop, you have hit on an interesting conundrum for some TSs. They have a period of gender preference anxiety until they "find themselves".

A TS is not necessarily gay nor is it given that they will be attracted to the same gender that they were before transitioning. Some even chuck it all and go bisexual, to make things easier.

We have/had several transsexuals here, four that I'm certain of. One is not even thinking of sex at this time, another is bisexual but in a committed lesbian relationship, the rest I never asked and haven't seen in years.

I know some even experiment with homosexual relations before officially discovering that they were born in the wrong body, so to speak. It's confusing, even for the TS involved, but they have so much on their plate by then that sexual preference tends to take a back seat until they iron out certain other issues first.

BrianR · 06-27-2009, 09:44 PM

As long as you remember that what you see is NOT the person, it is a shell in which they live. The person is in the head, a collection of memories, personality and thoughts. A sex change (gender reassignment)is little more than making the inside match the outside.

TheMercenary · 07-07-2009, 08:53 AM

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As long as you remember that what you see is NOT the person, it is a shell in which they live. The person is in the head, a collection of memories, personality and thoughts. A sex change (gender reassignment)is little more than making the inside match the outside.

I disagree. That is not what the person wants you to believe. They are not the same person on the inside. That is why they are more comfortable in their new persona. I have nothing against that. But they are not the same person and do not want you to think of them as the same person.

Alibar · 06-27-2009, 10:44 PM

Fine with me for Chastity to do whatever she wants to do. If my daughter or son told me they were going to change gender I would first say, oh, for God's sake, what's the matter with you?

Glinda · 06-30-2009, 12:58 PM

Five years ago this month, I ditched "normal" life and skedaddled for the country - all alone, didn't know anyone here, yadda yadda. I'm perfectly content being singular and independent, but mom (good ol' mom) was a bit freaked out that I was doing this all on my lonesome, and that I was happy to stay that way. (Men? Been there for decades, got more freakin' t-shirts than I can possibly use.)

About a year ago, mom called me with something on her mind. She had a hard time getting to it, but eventually, she blurted out "Are you gay?" *

I nearly bust a gut laughing. I still chuckle every time I think about it.

* Not that there's anything....

Sundae · 06-30-2009, 03:37 PM

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About a year ago, mom called me with something on her mind. She had a hard time getting to it, but eventually, she blurted out "Are you gay?"

My Mum has hinted around this for a while. I think she's scared of the answer. I know she thinks that having short pink hair must be some kind of statement...

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Fine with me for Chastity to do whatever she wants to do. If my daughter or son told me they were going to change gender I would first say, oh, for God's sake, what's the matter with you?

Exactly what Mum would say. She'd be the same if I brought a girlfriend home. She's certainly not homophobic - having worked in uniform she knew plenty of lesbian couples, and went on endlessly about the lovely commitment ceremony she went to - even if she did mainly focus on the catering

But she - and my sister - would very much roll their eyes and think "typical!" if I ever suggested I liked a bit of muff.

I do not personally understand gender reassignment. But I know that there is evidence people have had gender identity issues for centuries before surgery was available to do anything about it, so I accept it is a totally real desire. The sad thing is, some damaged people (by which I mean people who are not genuinely transgendered but have emotional and/ or mental health issues) do cling to the banner, and hurt the real cases by it.

Trouble is, by trying to weed out these cases, the hurdles set for gender reassignment have to be so much higher and harder.

sugarpop · 07-07-2009, 06:32 PM

I believe some people really are born different, and we should accept people for who they really are, not who or what we think they should be.

TheMercenary · 07-07-2009, 09:00 PM

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I believe some people really are born different, and we should accept people for who they really are, not who or what we think they should be.

And how many children have you raised?

dar512 · 07-08-2009, 09:00 AM

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And how many children have you raised?

Because you think parents should dictate to their children who and what they can be?

TheMercenary · 07-08-2009, 09:20 AM

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Because you think parents should dictate to their children who and what they can be?

Never.

sugarpop · 07-11-2009, 12:21 PM

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And how many children have you raised?

None. What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying if one of your kids was grown, and gay, and decided they wanted a sex change, YOU would love them any less? sorry but I don't buy it.

06-21-2009, 06:01 PM	#3
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I see what you're saying, be-bop, it does seem weird. It's the ultimate in ambiguity. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

06-21-2009, 07:35 PM	#4
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Be-bop, you have hit on an interesting conundrum for some TSs. They have a period of gender preference anxiety until they "find themselves". A TS is not necessarily gay nor is it given that they will be attracted to the same gender that they were before transitioning. Some even chuck it all and go bisexual, to make things easier. We have/had several transsexuals here, four that I'm certain of. One is not even thinking of sex at this time, another is bisexual but in a committed lesbian relationship, the rest I never asked and haven't seen in years. I know some even experiment with homosexual relations before officially discovering that they were born in the wrong body, so to speak. It's confusing, even for the TS involved, but they have so much on their plate by then that sexual preference tends to take a back seat until they iron out certain other issues first. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

06-27-2009, 09:44 PM	#5
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	As long as you remember that what you see is NOT the person, it is a shell in which they live. The person is in the head, a collection of memories, personality and thoughts. A sex change (gender reassignment)is little more than making the inside match the outside. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

06-21-2009, 05:58 PM	#1
be-bop Operations Operative Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: scotland/uk Posts: 664	I have to admit I'm a tad confused about the whole Gay,Transexual thing, I'm not meaning to be flippant and I sure she/he has not done this lightly I'm assuming the surgery is major,but I have to ask the question If you're gay then your orientation is towards a person of the same sex. if you change sex then your orentation is towards the opposite sex and you're no longer gay.. So what does that say about being gay because gay people I know have no compulsion to change sex they are happy in their own skin so to speak and sexually attracted to their own sex. So for twenty years or so whenever she came out she wasn't gay but straight but in the wrong body? Can't get my head around that at all

06-27-2009, 10:44 PM	#7
Alibar Jotter of Notes Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11	Fine with me for Chastity to do whatever she wants to do. If my daughter or son told me they were going to change gender I would first say, oh, for God's sake, what's the matter with you?

06-30-2009, 12:58 PM	#8
Glinda Fucktard Resistance League Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: 1.14 acres of heaven Posts: 1,512	Five years ago this month, I ditched "normal" life and skedaddled for the country - all alone, didn't know anyone here, yadda yadda. I'm perfectly content being singular and independent, but mom (good ol' mom) was a bit freaked out that I was doing this all on my lonesome, and that I was happy to stay that way. (Men? Been there for decades, got more freakin' t-shirts than I can possibly use.) About a year ago, mom called me with something on her mind. She had a hard time getting to it, but eventually, she blurted out "Are you gay?" * I nearly bust a gut laughing. I still chuckle every time I think about it. * Not that there's anything....

07-07-2009, 06:32 PM	#10
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	I believe some people really are born different, and we should accept people for who they really are, not who or what we think they should be.

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