Mar 22, 2009: EDAR - Page 2

Beestie · 03-22-2009, 10:02 PM

And who is going to assemble the thing? Can you see the average bag lady reading the translated Chinese instructions in four point font with all the pipes, hooks, screws and bungees next to her with a flashlight in her mouth.

"...insert for to pipe B1a to slot G37 then to hook grommet to for bungee attach pipe C1b to ground. For to enjoy"

SPUCK · 03-23-2009, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

"...insert for to pipe B1a to slot G37 then to hook grommet to for bungee attach pipe C1b to ground. For to enjoy"

glatt · 03-23-2009, 08:42 AM

The best analogy for one of these things is a shopping cart. This is basically a shopping cart that unfolds into a tent. The cost isn't just in the canvas tent, it's in the convertible cart.

Just by way of example, the smallest folding Magliner hand truck costs $299 in my 2002 Grainger catalog. The cheapest non folding wire mail room cart costs $268 in the same catalog. They go up to $400 when you get them with the good wheels. If you are just buying the individual medium duty swivel locking caster wheels, you'll pay about $20 each. So it's about $80 just for the wheels. Remember that this thing is intended to be pushed all over the city by homeless dudes. It's got to be durable. It's intended to hold lots of empty bottles and cans for scroungers. Not to mention personal belongings. It's got to be durable, otherwise there is no point. A cheap Walmart tent will break its zipper after a season or two of light use. This thing will be used every day for months, at a minimum.

$500 seems like a lot of money, but the Army would design this same tent for $50,000.

Look at that frame.

classicman · 03-22-2009, 10:13 PM

mmmm - "for to enjoy"

monster · 03-22-2009, 10:32 PM

pop-up requires no assembly other than "undo velcrose"

classicman · 03-22-2009, 10:57 PM

I do like that it keeps the base of the unit about 6" off the ground that is different than your typical tent - $500 worth

Shawnee123 · 03-23-2009, 08:44 AM

I think one of the big differences between the EDAR and a Walmart tent is that the EDAR is elevated off the ground. There must be some advantage to not having your ass lying directly on the, in many cases, freezing cold hard ground.

glatt · 03-23-2009, 09:06 AM

It's nice to be off the ground when it is wet and/or cold. Plus, creepy crawly things are less likely to come inside when you are off the ground.

classicman · 03-23-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

the EDAR is elevated off the ground.

eh hem - see post #17

great minds think alike

Shawnee123 · 03-23-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

eh hem - see post #17

great minds think alike

Ooops, pardon my tail, um, ,post.

JuancoRocks · 03-24-2009, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I think one of the big differences between the EDAR and a Walmart tent is that the EDAR is elevated off the ground. There must be some advantage to not having your ass lying directly on the, in many cases, freezing cold hard ground.

Actually in cold weather lying on the ground is warmer than being elevated above the ground as you can never warm the airspace and cold continues to penetrate above. (experience)

Now lying on wet ground is another story entirely.

Coign · 03-24-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JuancoRocks

Actually in cold weather lying on the ground is warmer than being elevated above the ground as you can never warm the airspace and cold continues to penetrate above. (experience)

Now lying on wet ground is another story entirely.

Actually the first thing you learn in boy scouts is to never sleep on the ground. The ground will rob you of heat faster than air will.

http://wildvistasadventures.com/arti...al-skills.html

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Never sleep directly on the ground. Lay down some pine boughs, grass, or other insulating material to keep the ground from absorbing your body heat.

glatt · 03-24-2009, 09:50 AM

A thin foam pad like the Ridge Rest, is great at keeping you warm when sleeping on the ice cold ground.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-24-2009, 09:54 AM

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Never sleep directly on the ground. Lay down some pine boughs, grass, or a fresh killed hobo to keep the ground from absorbing your body heat.

Shawnee123 · 03-23-2009, 09:07 AM

See, I couldn't be homeless because of creepy crawlies. Fearless except for creepy crawlies. :shudder:

03-23-2009, 08:42 AM	#3
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	The best analogy for one of these things is a shopping cart. This is basically a shopping cart that unfolds into a tent. The cost isn't just in the canvas tent, it's in the convertible cart. Just by way of example, the smallest folding Magliner hand truck costs $299 in my 2002 Grainger catalog. The cheapest non folding wire mail room cart costs $268 in the same catalog. They go up to $400 when you get them with the good wheels. If you are just buying the individual medium duty swivel locking caster wheels, you'll pay about $20 each. So it's about $80 just for the wheels. Remember that this thing is intended to be pushed all over the city by homeless dudes. It's got to be durable. It's intended to hold lots of empty bottles and cans for scroungers. Not to mention personal belongings. It's got to be durable, otherwise there is no point. A cheap Walmart tent will break its zipper after a season or two of light use. This thing will be used every day for months, at a minimum. $500 seems like a lot of money, but the Army would design this same tent for $50,000. Look at that frame. Attached Images

03-22-2009, 10:13 PM	#4
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	mmmm - "for to enjoy" __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

03-22-2009, 10:32 PM	#5
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	pop-up requires no assembly other than "undo velcrose" __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-22-2009, 10:57 PM	#6
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I do like that it keeps the base of the unit about 6" off the ground that is different than your typical tent - $500 worth __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

03-23-2009, 08:44 AM	#7
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I think one of the big differences between the EDAR and a Walmart tent is that the EDAR is elevated off the ground. There must be some advantage to not having your ass lying directly on the, in many cases, freezing cold hard ground. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby Last edited by Shawnee123; 03-23-2009 at 08:46 AM. Reason: clarity

03-22-2009, 10:02 PM	#1
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	And who is going to assemble the thing? Can you see the average bag lady reading the translated Chinese instructions in four point font with all the pipes, hooks, screws and bungees next to her with a flashlight in her mouth. "...insert for to pipe B1a to slot G37 then to hook grommet to for bungee attach pipe C1b to ground. For to enjoy" __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

03-23-2009, 09:06 AM	#8
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	It's nice to be off the ground when it is wet and/or cold. Plus, creepy crawly things are less likely to come inside when you are off the ground.

03-24-2009, 09:50 AM	#13
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	A thin foam pad like the Ridge Rest, is great at keeping you warm when sleeping on the ice cold ground.

03-23-2009, 09:07 AM	#15
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	See, I couldn't be homeless because of creepy crawlies. Fearless except for creepy crawlies. :shudder: __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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