Spending for health care

[TheMercenary]

not what the people heard. I hear it every day!

[TheMercenary]

How do you provide "affordable health care" to the 600,000 workers just laid off last month? COBRA? How do they pay for that?

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

How do you provide "affordable health care" to the 600,000 workers just laid off last month? COBRA? How do they pay for that?

We do. Those of us still working, and the companies that employ us.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

How do you provide "affordable health care" to the 600,000 workers just laid off last month? COBRA? How do they pay for that?

That is absolutely a challenge and why we need a comprehensive economic recovery plan so those folks can return to the workforce which most would like to do....along with reform of employer-based health care coverage which is part of Obama's health care agenda.

The fact remains that Obama has never pledged free health care for all...or government run health care for all.

In the interim, at the very least, the children of those workers can be covered through the expanded SCHIP program that Obama signed last week (that Bush vetoed twice)

And those children will be covered ONLy until the parents are able to get back in the workforce.

[TheMercenary]

Obama promises universal health care, he says it over and over.

[xoxoxoBruce]

But never once does he say FREE. :p

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Obama promises universal health care, he says it over and over.

At no point does he say "single payer".

[TheMercenary]

Nothing is free, ass, grass, cash.

You are right. Everyone with a job will pay for it for the rest of the sods.

[TheMercenary]

OBAMA and health care:

Universal Coverage
Zero fines & no mandate for small business. (Oct 2008)
Reduce premiums and uninsured get same coverage as Congress. (Oct 2008)
No exclusions for pre-existing conditions. (Oct 2008)
Ban insurance companies from discriminating against the sick. (Aug 2008)
I’ve got a health plan and a plan to get it implemented. (Jun 2008)
AdWatch: My plan costs $2,500 less per family than Clinton’s. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Unclear if Obama’s plan costs less than Clinton’s. (Apr 2008)
Universal health care means anyone who wants it can get it. (Feb 2008)
Insurers are happy to have a mandate; issue is affordability. (Feb 2008)
Voluntary universal participation, like in Medicare Part B. (Feb 2008)
Mandating kids’ insurance ok; mandating adults has problems. (Feb 2008)
Young adults up to age 25 can be covered under parents’ plan. (Feb 2008)
My plan does more than anybody to reduce costs. (Feb 2008)
My health plan does not leave 15 million people uncovered. (Feb 2008)
Adults will get health care as they can afford it. (Feb 2008)
AdWatch: punishing uninsured families doesn’t make sense. (Feb 2008)
FactCheck: Hillary’s plan does mandate; but so does Obama’s. (Feb 2008)
No one turned away due to illness or pre-existing condition. (Feb 2008)
Buy private insurance via National Health Insurance Exchange. (Feb 2008)
Against enforcement mechanism for mandating insurance. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama favored single-payer, despite denial. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: No, US costs are not twice as much as others. (Jan 2008)
AdWatch: Pressure insurance & drug companies to change. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: OPPORTUNITY to insure all, but no GUARANTEE. (Jan 2008)
AdWatch: Don’t make it illegal not to have health care. (Jan 2008)
Being poor in this country is hazardous to your health. (Dec 2007)
Problem isn’t mandating coverage, but affording it. (Nov 2007)
FactCheck: Coverage plan might leave 8.5 million uninsured. (Nov 2007)
Cautious incremental plan offers choice & subsidy. (Nov 2007)
Added 20,000 children to Illinois healthcare. (Oct 2007)
Government healthcare like members of Congress have. (Sep 2007)
Increase competition in the insurance and drug markets. (Aug 2007)
National Health Insurance Exchange for private coverage. (Aug 2007)
Health plan cuts typical family’s premium by $2,500 a year. (Jun 2007)
Give people the choice to buy affordable health care. (Jun 2007)
National insurance pool & catastrophic insurance. (Apr 2007)
Employers are going to have to pay or play. (Mar 2007)
Need political will to accomplish universal coverage. (Mar 2007)
Universal health care by of first term. (Feb 2007)
Healthcare system is broken without lifetime employment. (Oct 2006)
The market alone can’t solve our health-care woes. (Oct 2006)
Focus on the affordability of a broad healthcare plan. (Jan 2006)
Crises happen in our lives and healthcare is necessary. (Oct 2004)
Believes health care is a right, not a privilege for the few. (Sep 2004)
Will expand health coverage & allow meds to be re-imported. (May 2004)
Ensure access to basic care. (Jul 1998)

Universal Coverage
Zero fines & no mandate for small business. (Oct 2008)
Reduce premiums and uninsured get same coverage as Congress. (Oct 2008)
No exclusions for pre-existing conditions. (Oct 2008)
Ban insurance companies from discriminating against the sick. (Aug 2008)
I’ve got a health plan and a plan to get it implemented. (Jun 2008)
AdWatch: My plan costs $2,500 less per family than Clinton’s. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Unclear if Obama’s plan costs less than Clinton’s. (Apr 2008)
Universal health care means anyone who wants it can get it. (Feb 2008)
Insurers are happy to have a mandate; issue is affordability. (Feb 2008)
Voluntary universal participation, like in Medicare Part B. (Feb 2008)
Mandating kids’ insurance ok; mandating adults has problems. (Feb 2008)
Young adults up to age 25 can be covered under parents’ plan. (Feb 2008)
My plan does more than anybody to reduce costs. (Feb 2008)
My health plan does not leave 15 million people uncovered. (Feb 2008)
Adults will get health care as they can afford it. (Feb 2008)
AdWatch: punishing uninsured families doesn’t make sense. (Feb 2008)
FactCheck: Hillary’s plan does mandate; but so does Obama’s. (Feb 2008)
No one turned away due to illness or pre-existing condition. (Feb 2008)
Buy private insurance via National Health Insurance Exchange. (Feb 2008)
Against enforcement mechanism for mandating insurance. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama favored single-payer, despite denial. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: No, US costs are not twice as much as others. (Jan 2008)
AdWatch: Pressure insurance & drug companies to change. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: OPPORTUNITY to insure all, but no GUARANTEE. (Jan 2008)
AdWatch: Don’t make it illegal not to have health care. (Jan 2008)
Being poor in this country is hazardous to your health. (Dec 2007)
Problem isn’t mandating coverage, but affording it. (Nov 2007)
FactCheck: Coverage plan might leave 8.5 million uninsured. (Nov 2007)
Cautious incremental plan offers choice & subsidy. (Nov 2007)
Added 20,000 children to Illinois healthcare. (Oct 2007)
Government healthcare like members of Congress have. (Sep 2007)
Increase competition in the insurance and drug markets. (Aug 2007)
National Health Insurance Exchange for private coverage. (Aug 2007)
Health plan cuts typical family’s premium by $2,500 a year. (Jun 2007)
Give people the choice to buy affordable health care. (Jun 2007)
National insurance pool & catastrophic insurance. (Apr 2007)
Employers are going to have to pay or play. (Mar 2007)
Need political will to accomplish universal coverage. (Mar 2007)
Universal health care by of first term. (Feb 2007)
Healthcare system is broken without lifetime employment. (Oct 2006)
The market alone can’t solve our health-care woes. (Oct 2006)
Focus on the affordability of a broad healthcare plan. (Jan 2006)
Crises happen in our lives and healthcare is necessary. (Oct 2004)
Believes health care is a right, not a privilege for the few. (Sep 2004)
Will expand health coverage & allow meds to be re-imported. (May 2004)
Ensure access to basic care. (Jul 1998)

[TheMercenary]

www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm

[xoxoxoBruce]

Somebody say free? No? Then just rant and rave then hold your breath till you turn blue. Ain't gonna change a thing.

[TheMercenary]

.. double post.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Somebody say free? No? Then just rant and rave then hold your breath till you turn blue. Ain't gonna change a thing.

Not trying to "change a thing", but I will call attention to the failures and lies that got him elected and rub it in the faces of those who view him as their savior. Rock on.

Say as you will dude. If you believe that the people were lied to.

Where in the stimulus package is there stimulus for health care providers to actually provide the care? Nada.

[TheMercenary]

Where in this quote do you see that the individual or employer provides for the health care of the individual?

"I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody."

No where. So what is the message that the electorate heard? What are patients telling me every day? I will tell you. Obama and the gooberment is going to give them free health care, ala the UK or Canada, or France, etc.

Get over it guys. This is exactly the message that Obamy sent to get elected.

Where's the beef?

[Trilby]

screw you! I ruined my health under W!