93 Year Old WWII Vet Freezes to Death at Home... - Page 2

DanaC · 01-28-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Just...humanity?

This.

Yes they are businesses, but they are also amongst the providers of the country's basic infrastructure. They take on the rewards as they take on the responsiblity.

Griff · 01-28-2009, 11:39 AM

I just thought someone should note that it was not a business that killed this man, it is a municipal operation.

lookout123 · 01-28-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

I just thought someone should note that it was not a business that killed this man, it is a municipal operation.

I was under the impression the man was killed by extremely cold temperatures... but I get your point.

Griff · 01-28-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

I was under the impression the man was killed by extremely cold temperatures... but I get your point.

Thank you Mister Knowitall.

lookout123 · 01-27-2009, 01:49 PM

Do you really think there was some guy sitting at the power company laughing with his buddies and saying, "Watch this poor old bastard. He made it to 93 but I got him now."?

If noone had spoken with the company to raise flags then what are they supposed to do?

***
Mind you I'm not arguing in favor of freezing 93 year olds, but the knee jerk reaction towards the evil company is a little overdone.

dmg1969 · 01-27-2009, 01:51 PM

Found this in a news story from KDKA...

Under the law, utilities can shut off your service for failing to pay your bills -- even in the winter.

There are exceptions -- for medical reasons, of course -- and here's a big exception.

From December 1st until March 31st, utilities cannot be shut off if your family income is below 250 percent of poverty.

That means for a couple, utilities cannot be shut off if family income is below $35,000 a year. For a family of four, there can be no winter shut-off if your family income is below $53,000.

TheMercenary · 01-27-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dmg1969

Found this in a news story from KDKA...

Under the law, utilities can shut off your service for failing to pay your bills -- even in the winter.

There are exceptions -- for medical reasons, of course -- and here's a big exception.

From December 1st until March 31st, utilities cannot be shut off if your family income is below 250 percent of poverty.

That means for a couple, utilities cannot be shut off if family income is below $35,000 a year. For a family of four, there can be no winter shut-off if your family income is below $53,000.

35K cannot be 250% below poverty. And 53K sure the hell is not.

dmg1969 · 01-27-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Do you really think there was some guy sitting at the power company laughing with his buddies and saying, "Watch this poor old bastard. He made it to 93 but I got him now."?

If noone had spoken with the company to raise flags then what are they supposed to do?

***
Mind you I'm not arguing in favor of freezing 93 year olds, but the knee jerk reaction towards the evil company is a little overdone.

I think if the electric company is going to take such a drastic measure in the middle of winter, they should damn well know who is in that house. That's all.

lookout123 · 01-27-2009, 01:55 PM

Not 250% below. 250% of.

Pie · 01-27-2009, 01:58 PM

Look at his date of birth (in their records)? Some sort of logic loop like:
if ($Customer_Age > 70)
{
$action->Followup($family);
}

Now, really, was that so hard?

Undertoad · 01-27-2009, 02:08 PM

When I've gotten shutoff notices from PECO/Exelon, they always have in big print the number you should call right away if there is anyone infirm in the house.

dmg1969 · 01-27-2009, 02:28 PM

There's a lot we still would need to know. Did he have family close by? If so, why were they not in contact with him or otherwise helping him? Was he suffering from dementia? If so, that would explain his non-response to any shut-off notices.

lookout123 · 01-27-2009, 02:31 PM

I agree dmg, but we're talking about one really unfortunate, bizarre example. if it wasn't rare, it wouldn't be worthy of a news story. people fall through the cracks sometimes. sad, but true. my point was simply that the company is not responsible for doing anything more than they did unless they were contacted for assistance.

glatt · 01-27-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

I agree dmg, but we're talking about one really unfortunate, bizarre example. if it wasn't rare, it wouldn't be worthy of a news story. people fall through the cracks sometimes. sad, but true. my point was simply that the company is not responsible for doing anything more than they did unless they were contacted for assistance.

And my point is that they should be. If they followed the rules and this guy ended up dead, then the rules are bad and need to change.

lookout123 · 01-27-2009, 02:39 PM

one man fell through the cracks and that means a whole company needs to change the way it does business?

01-28-2009, 11:39 AM	#2
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01-27-2009, 01:49 PM	#5
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Do you really think there was some guy sitting at the power company laughing with his buddies and saying, "Watch this poor old bastard. He made it to 93 but I got him now."? If noone had spoken with the company to raise flags then what are they supposed to do? *** Mind you I'm not arguing in favor of freezing 93 year olds, but the knee jerk reaction towards the evil company is a little overdone. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-27-2009, 01:51 PM	#6
dmg1969 I got nothing Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central PA Posts: 486	Found this in a news story from KDKA... Under the law, utilities can shut off your service for failing to pay your bills -- even in the winter. There are exceptions -- for medical reasons, of course -- and here's a big exception. From December 1st until March 31st, utilities cannot be shut off if your family income is below 250 percent of poverty. That means for a couple, utilities cannot be shut off if family income is below $35,000 a year. For a family of four, there can be no winter shut-off if your family income is below $53,000. __________________ Void where prohibited. Your results may vary. Not intended for resale. Do not remove tag. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

01-27-2009, 01:55 PM	#9
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Not 250% below. 250% of. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-27-2009, 01:58 PM	#10
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Look at his date of birth (in their records)? Some sort of logic loop like: if ($Customer_Age > 70) { $action->Followup($family); } Now, really, was that so hard? __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

01-27-2009, 02:08 PM	#11
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	When I've gotten shutoff notices from PECO/Exelon, they always have in big print the number you should call right away if there is anyone infirm in the house.

01-27-2009, 02:28 PM	#12
dmg1969 I got nothing Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central PA Posts: 486	There's a lot we still would need to know. Did he have family close by? If so, why were they not in contact with him or otherwise helping him? Was he suffering from dementia? If so, that would explain his non-response to any shut-off notices. __________________ Void where prohibited. Your results may vary. Not intended for resale. Do not remove tag. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

01-27-2009, 02:31 PM	#13
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	I agree dmg, but we're talking about one really unfortunate, bizarre example. if it wasn't rare, it wouldn't be worthy of a news story. people fall through the cracks sometimes. sad, but true. my point was simply that the company is not responsible for doing anything more than they did unless they were contacted for assistance. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-27-2009, 02:39 PM	#15
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	one man fell through the cracks and that means a whole company needs to change the way it does business? __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

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