When Welfare Goes Wrong... - Page 2

Trilby · 12-03-2008, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

...a few extra ££s in the hands of some single mum who is struggling bothers me a whole heap less than the millions (billions now) that we as tax payers have given to the wealthy.

I, uh, I agree. With Dana! I agree with Dana!

monster · 12-03-2008, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt

I don't recall Hawking ever applying for welfare

He got it automatically -he's British.

DanaC · 12-03-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

I, uh, I agree. With Dana! I agree with Dana!

lol bloody hell, someone grab a calendar and mark this momentous event :P

lumberjim · 12-03-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

It's also worth taking into account that of the x% fraud, a large chunk of that will be extremely minor. People claiming unemployment/disability and also doing a little cash in hand work a few times a year. I honestly don't have a problem with that kind of low level scamming of the system...a few extra ££s in the hands of some single mum who is struggling bothers me a whole heap less than the millions (billions now) that we as tax payers have given to the wealthy.

I admit, I don't know the first thing about how things work on YOUR Island, but I wonder if your phraseology is accurate. You say 'tax payers have given to the wealthy.' Would it be more accurate to say 'millions of their earnings that you've allowed them to keep'?

classicman · 12-03-2008, 08:01 AM

Personally, I hadn't thought of it that way, but that is probably an accurate statement.

DanaC · 12-03-2008, 08:16 AM

I was referring to the rescue packages for banks etc.

Flint · 12-03-2008, 08:25 AM

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"All my pals are looking for work as well. But it's not that easy to get a job straightaway, you've got to write out your CV and everything and then hand it in to places."

Ah...she needs to join The Cellar, and have you lot walk her through the process (like you did with me). Thanks, again! Loving my new job.

TheMercenary · 12-03-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

It's also worth taking into account that of the x% fraud, a large chunk of that will be extremely minor.

Even at 10% I don't find that dollar amount to minor. Maybe the UK's burden as a percentage of the total tax amount is smaller, but I am pretty sure Calif has a budget larger than the UK. So no, it is not an "extremely minor" amount of money.

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Classicman's quote:

If you take into consideration that the Fed receives about 3.5 trillion in tax revenues a year then 2.34 trillion dollars goes into social assistance programs. (2,340,000,000,000 dollars) if only lets say that on the low end 10% of the total is fraudulent or misused then that is 234 billion dollars that is being stolen from the countries tax payers.

Pie · 12-03-2008, 10:37 AM

Flint, the Cellar is a helpful place, no doubt.

But you wanted that job, and you looked for resources to help you get it. You interviewed for it, and hit it out of the park.

The resources are almost always available to those who are willing & able to make the effort to look for them.

lookout123 · 12-03-2008, 10:51 AM

Shhh. he thinks he owes us, don't blow this.

dar512 · 12-03-2008, 11:09 AM

I agree that welfare should only be given to those who truly need it. I think it harms the recipient far more than it harms society as a whole.

On the other hand, don't count on fixing welfare to make a big dent in your tax dollars (in the US). Do a google search for "government spending pie chart" and/or "government spending welfare".

I found this interesting. I know they have a bias, but it's certainly not hidden. They also supply the sources for their figures.

Shawnee123 · 12-03-2008, 11:15 AM

A giant drug-addicted alcoholic part-time blow-job giver for drugs and alcohol was worried that they were going to take away her welfare, or whatever it was. She was afraid she might have to look for a J-O-B. Someone asked her "when was the last time you worked?" She thought for a second and said "Nahnteen Sebenty Nahn."

Seriously.

wolf · 12-03-2008, 11:21 AM

At least she worked.

Most of the worthless turds I deal with on a regular basis haven't ever worked.

A fellow cheered my heart yesterday ... he had missed his outpatient appointments and need a prescription for his meds from our doc. Why had he missed outpatient? Not the usual reasons ... oversleeping, too stoned, too drunk, etc.

He was working.

Jobs are few and far between for landscapers right now, even more than it would usually be as we are in the transitional season between grass and snow, so he's taking every opportunity he can ... his outpatient center can't get him appointments that match his schedule better, and since he has to work to eat (and real work, not something like being self employed in the personal entertainment services industry), he's skipping outpatient. He recognized that he was getting a little paranoid without his meds and came in. So he could keep working.

I have truly rarely seen the like.

Shawnee123 · 12-03-2008, 11:25 AM

Heh...true!

I feel for those who struggle like your outpatient guy...kudos to him for trying!

classicman · 12-03-2008, 08:14 PM

From dar's link. It doesn't break down the actual welfare #'s exactly, but 1/3 for that which is wrought with fraud (IMO) is still a heck of a lot. Of course so is the defense portion.

12-03-2008, 08:01 AM	#20
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Personally, I hadn't thought of it that way, but that is probably an accurate statement. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-03-2008, 10:37 AM	#24
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Flint, the Cellar is a helpful place, no doubt. But you wanted that job, and you looked for resources to help you get it. You interviewed for it, and hit it out of the park. The resources are almost always available to those who are willing & able to make the effort to look for them. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

12-03-2008, 10:51 AM	#25
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Shhh. he thinks he owes us, don't blow this. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

12-03-2008, 11:09 AM	#26
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	I agree that welfare should only be given to those who truly need it. I think it harms the recipient far more than it harms society as a whole. On the other hand, don't count on fixing welfare to make a big dent in your tax dollars (in the US). Do a google search for "government spending pie chart" and/or "government spending welfare". I found this interesting. I know they have a bias, but it's certainly not hidden. They also supply the sources for their figures. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

12-03-2008, 11:15 AM	#27
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	A giant drug-addicted alcoholic part-time blow-job giver for drugs and alcohol was worried that they were going to take away her welfare, or whatever it was. She was afraid she might have to look for a J-O-B. Someone asked her "when was the last time you worked?" She thought for a second and said "Nahnteen Sebenty Nahn." Seriously. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

12-03-2008, 08:16 AM	#21
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I was referring to the rescue packages for banks etc.

12-03-2008, 11:21 AM	#28
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	At least she worked. Most of the worthless turds I deal with on a regular basis haven't ever worked. A fellow cheered my heart yesterday ... he had missed his outpatient appointments and need a prescription for his meds from our doc. Why had he missed outpatient? Not the usual reasons ... oversleeping, too stoned, too drunk, etc. He was working. Jobs are few and far between for landscapers right now, even more than it would usually be as we are in the transitional season between grass and snow, so he's taking every opportunity he can ... his outpatient center can't get him appointments that match his schedule better, and since he has to work to eat (and real work, not something like being self employed in the personal entertainment services industry), he's skipping outpatient. He recognized that he was getting a little paranoid without his meds and came in. So he could keep working. I have truly rarely seen the like. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

12-03-2008, 11:25 AM	#29
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Heh...true! I feel for those who struggle like your outpatient guy...kudos to him for trying! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

12-03-2008, 08:14 PM	#30
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	From dar's link. It doesn't break down the actual welfare #'s exactly, but 1/3 for that which is wrought with fraud (IMO) is still a heck of a lot. Of course so is the defense portion. Attached Images __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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