November 12, 2008: Beez - Page 2

sweetwater · 11-12-2008, 08:02 AM

It's terrible that a hive was killed, but I get the impression that the storyteller was unaware that it was a hive, and not just some bees hanging around under the cover. I would have just taken the cover off and let the bees scatter back home, so finding the combs would have been exciting to say the least.

classicman · 11-12-2008, 08:06 AM

I thought the same thing sweet, but then what? You have 10,000 bees swarming all over your deck. Not that I'm condoning the killing of them, but I have no idea what the hell I'd do in that situation.

Then again, That grill must have been hummin like a Harley on the highway.

sweetwater · 11-12-2008, 08:22 AM

Yes, classic, I would have been mistaken thinking that it was just a few bees, so would have yanked the cover off the grill, had a fraction of a second to think "uh-oh", then been swarmed and stung to death by angry bees. Then the grill hive would be somebody else's problem. And also removing my puffed-up carcass from the deck.

classicman · 11-12-2008, 08:48 AM

lol - thats the mental picture I had too - lol. My kids watching from inside as dad is running faster than a bullet while being chased by a million angry bees!

Sundae · 11-12-2008, 09:04 AM

While it seems sad, I can't see that the poster did anything wrong given the information they had. They did not set out to destroy a hive after all.

We had a wasp's nest in our eaves when I lived in an old cottage. We thought it strange that there were so many around, until early one summer evening when we had the door open and observed them coming and going. Until then, we'd shooed them away, not being into unnecessary death.

Once we realised there was a nest we had to call the council, who sent a man to kill them all. That was a deliberate act of insect genocide, and I'll hold my hands up to it. Making me far more contemptible than the poster.

ETA - fascinating IoTD Bruce!

glatt · 11-12-2008, 09:12 AM

Reminds me of this old favorite. Matthias Wandel's wasp sucking machine.

Pie · 11-12-2008, 10:25 AM

I'm still not getting the idea of using toxic pesticides ON A COOKING SURFACE!
Would you spray your pots and pans down with Raid? A little rat poison on your bruschetta?
You can't scrub down every surface of a grill; lava rocks hold on to whatever has landed on them forever.

spudcon · 11-12-2008, 12:43 PM

Perhaps bee stings are fatal to the poster. I have a friend whose grill gets infested by wasps every year. She just turns on the gas and ignites it. It's not genocide, it's killing pests that are harmful to her home family and her pets. Buncha pain in the ass bugs anyway.

Aliantha · 11-12-2008, 02:26 PM

If he'd taken the cover off, the bees would have first become very aggravated and would have attacked. It would have been an invasion of their home. After the initial shock, the bees might have moved on, but more than likely the wouldn't move too far because for starters, they need emergency housing, so anywhere dry and out of the wind is going to be good. The cavities in the walls etc make a good spot, and a lot more troublesome than a BBQ to remove. That said, I agree that calling a bee keeper would have been the smart thing to do rather than poisoning them.

Shawnee123 · 11-12-2008, 02:55 PM

The author was calling them wasps, then yellow jackets. I'm not up on my bee categories, but aren't wasps, and even yellow jackets completely different than happy little (really necessary to the earth) honey bees?

Having said that, I have a little wasp nest between my screen and window in my bathroom. I let them go in and out all summer. What do they do in the winter? Can I safely get them out? What should I do with them? That nest grew a lot over the summer, it is no longer the cute little "I'll just leave them be" nest that it started out to be.

Clodfobble · 11-12-2008, 03:17 PM

Bees are useful to the ecosystem. They are not aggressive unless provoked. Wasps (aka hornets, aka yellowjackets,) on the other hand, are demon spawn and need to be killed on sight every time.

Don't believe me?

Aliantha · 11-12-2008, 03:35 PM

I always kill wasp nests completely. Burn then smash. Those suckers are nasty and can do a lot of damage to small children if they get stuck about it. Especially paper wasps. I don't know if you have them over there, but they're very aggressive and the sting hurts like a bastard.

glatt · 11-12-2008, 03:39 PM

Yeah, but you've got to admit the paper wasp nests are really cool looking.

Aliantha · 11-12-2008, 03:43 PM

Oh for sure, but that doesn't mean I'm going to leave them there for a new lot to move into...which they do. Bastard creatures.

SPUCK · 11-12-2008, 05:08 PM

Very sad.. Bees are under extreme pressure that's not even understood. To kill a hive like that is really poor judgment.

For the poster to recognize enough bees are under there, where there would be no other point than to 'nest', and to feel there were enough to require building that weapon, shows serious ignorance. Maybe she should actually watch TV once in a while...

All she had to do was call ANY honey or bee keeper and that hive would be promptly and carefully removed for her.

Stupid.

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If bees were to decline the only thing left of a hamburger, I'm told, would be the bun, as bees are responsible for everything else.

11-12-2008, 08:02 AM	#1
sweetwater lives inside a Mobius strip Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,120	It's terrible that a hive was killed, but I get the impression that the storyteller was unaware that it was a hive, and not just some bees hanging around under the cover. I would have just taken the cover off and let the bees scatter back home, so finding the combs would have been exciting to say the least. __________________ I knew I shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque! - Bugs Bunny

11-12-2008, 08:06 AM	#2
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I thought the same thing sweet, but then what? You have 10,000 bees swarming all over your deck. Not that I'm condoning the killing of them, but I have no idea what the hell I'd do in that situation. Then again, That grill must have been hummin like a Harley on the highway. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-12-2008, 08:22 AM	#3
sweetwater lives inside a Mobius strip Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,120	Yes, classic, I would have been mistaken thinking that it was just a few bees, so would have yanked the cover off the grill, had a fraction of a second to think "uh-oh", then been swarmed and stung to death by angry bees. Then the grill hive would be somebody else's problem. And also removing my puffed-up carcass from the deck. __________________ I knew I shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque! - Bugs Bunny

11-12-2008, 08:48 AM	#4
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	lol - thats the mental picture I had too - lol. My kids watching from inside as dad is running faster than a bullet while being chased by a million angry bees! __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-12-2008, 10:25 AM	#7
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	I'm still not getting the idea of using toxic pesticides ON A COOKING SURFACE! Would you spray your pots and pans down with Raid? A little rat poison on your bruschetta? You can't scrub down every surface of a grill; lava rocks hold on to whatever has landed on them forever. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

11-12-2008, 09:04 AM	#5
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	While it seems sad, I can't see that the poster did anything wrong given the information they had. They did not set out to destroy a hive after all. We had a wasp's nest in our eaves when I lived in an old cottage. We thought it strange that there were so many around, until early one summer evening when we had the door open and observed them coming and going. Until then, we'd shooed them away, not being into unnecessary death. Once we realised there was a nest we had to call the council, who sent a man to kill them all. That was a deliberate act of insect genocide, and I'll hold my hands up to it. Making me far more contemptible than the poster. ETA - fascinating IoTD Bruce!

11-12-2008, 09:12 AM	#6
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Reminds me of this old favorite. Matthias Wandel's wasp sucking machine.

11-12-2008, 12:43 PM	#8
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	Perhaps bee stings are fatal to the poster. I have a friend whose grill gets infested by wasps every year. She just turns on the gas and ignites it. It's not genocide, it's killing pests that are harmful to her home family and her pets. Buncha pain in the ass bugs anyway. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

11-12-2008, 02:26 PM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	If he'd taken the cover off, the bees would have first become very aggravated and would have attacked. It would have been an invasion of their home. After the initial shock, the bees might have moved on, but more than likely the wouldn't move too far because for starters, they need emergency housing, so anywhere dry and out of the wind is going to be good. The cavities in the walls etc make a good spot, and a lot more troublesome than a BBQ to remove. That said, I agree that calling a bee keeper would have been the smart thing to do rather than poisoning them. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-12-2008, 02:55 PM	#10
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	The author was calling them wasps, then yellow jackets. I'm not up on my bee categories, but aren't wasps, and even yellow jackets completely different than happy little (really necessary to the earth) honey bees? Having said that, I have a little wasp nest between my screen and window in my bathroom. I let them go in and out all summer. What do they do in the winter? Can I safely get them out? What should I do with them? That nest grew a lot over the summer, it is no longer the cute little "I'll just leave them be" nest that it started out to be. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

11-12-2008, 03:17 PM	#11
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Bees are useful to the ecosystem. They are not aggressive unless provoked. Wasps (aka hornets, aka yellowjackets,) on the other hand, are demon spawn and need to be killed on sight every time. Don't believe me? __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

11-12-2008, 03:35 PM	#12
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I always kill wasp nests completely. Burn then smash. Those suckers are nasty and can do a lot of damage to small children if they get stuck about it. Especially paper wasps. I don't know if you have them over there, but they're very aggressive and the sting hurts like a bastard. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-12-2008, 03:39 PM	#13
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Yeah, but you've got to admit the paper wasp nests are really cool looking.

11-12-2008, 03:43 PM	#14
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Oh for sure, but that doesn't mean I'm going to leave them there for a new lot to move into...which they do. Bastard creatures. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-12-2008, 05:08 PM	#15
SPUCK Professor Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,911	Very sad.. Bees are under extreme pressure that's not even understood. To kill a hive like that is really poor judgment. For the poster to recognize enough bees are under there, where there would be no other point than to 'nest', and to feel there were enough to require building that weapon, shows serious ignorance. Maybe she should actually watch TV once in a while... All she had to do was call ANY honey or bee keeper and that hive would be promptly and carefully removed for her. Stupid. : If bees were to decline the only thing left of a hamburger, I'm told, would be the bun, as bees are responsible for everything else.

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